NetJets hiring percentage

[-FlyAuburn-]

Just wondering, does anyone know what percentage out of each class is being hired? I read back in December that it was close to 100% but now I am hearing they are telling people they are only hiring about 50% from each class since they can afford to be picky. Anyone have any confirmed info about the recent classes?

 

[fischman]

It is more like 35% as of last month.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

I am hearing they are telling people they are only hiring about 50% from each class since they can afford to be picky.

Lets hope so. I for one would prefer to keep NetJets THE premier company to work for, thus keeping the rift-raft flying for the other guys.

Yes, I know I sound like a "higher than thou" pilot... but the truth hurts, and this industry, like all others has its share of excellent, educated, motivated, team playing professionals who are second to none (the ones I want at NetJets). And then it has the fat, lazy, complaining, terrible non-professionals as well (the ones I dont want at NetJets).

Just my .02
Wolfpack

 

[rettofly]

Lets hope so. I for one would prefer to keep NetJets THE premier company to work for, thus keeping the rift-raft flying for the other guys.

Yes, I know I sound like a "higher than thou" pilot... but the truth hurts, and this industry, like all others has its share of excellent, educated, motivated, team playing professionals who are second to none (the ones I want at NetJets). And then it has the fat, lazy, complaining, terrible non-professionals as well (the ones I dont want at NetJets).

Just my .02
Wolfpack

Let me make sure I understand this post.

Only those pilots who work at NetJets are excellent, educated, motivated, team playing professionals who are second to none.

All other pilots, by definition, are fat, lazy, complaining, terrible non-professionals.

Wolfpack, you might want to open your eyes and your mind. You might even learn that there are some fat, lazy, complaining, terrible non-professionals at NetJets. I'm not going to mention names, but I know a few.

Grow up, fool!

By the way, that's "riff-raff", not "rift-raft". Maybe you should work on your own education before you shoot your mouth off.

 

[btodd77]

I think he was saying that we don't just want a warm body in the seat, but someone that will contribute to safety, teamwork, and overall growth of the company. It is true that there are fat, lazy, complaining, non-professional pilots in EVERY operation, but we would like to keep those limited to those that are already here.

 

[StarHustler]

I think that I understand what Wolfpack is saying, it is just that he is coming across a little harshly. Especially in light of the fact that hiring standards are now tighter then they have been previously and perhaps some of the folks now on NetJet property may not have even been invited up to interview in the present hiring process.

That said, I would think that a good and thorough pre-screening process would limit the candidate pool brought up to CMH to only those that meet NetJets specifically desired pilot profile. In other words, if they bring you up for the interview they should WANT to hire you and it is up to you to convince them not too. Otherwise, it is just a waste of time and money for all parties.

 

[727C47]

6 out of 10 in my interview group got offers in January, they told us they would like to hire everybody provided that they fit the profile, we are all now in class, and loving this place, the best aviation entity I have ever been associated with. motivated? thats putting it lightly !

 

[blueskies8]

3/10 from my group in Jan.

 

[fischman]

Let me make sure I understand this post.

Only those pilots who work at NetJets are excellent, educated, motivated, team playing professionals who are second to none.

All other pilots, by definition, are fat, lazy, complaining, terrible non-professionals.

Wolfpack, you might want to open your eyes and your mind. You might even learn that there are some fat, lazy, complaining, terrible non-professionals at NetJets. I'm not going to mention names, but I know a few.

Grow up, fool!

By the way, that's "riff-raff", not "rift-raft". Maybe you should work on your own education before you shoot your mouth off.

You are putting words in his mouth. We at NJA feel that we are THE fractional to be at. That isn't arrogance, it is pride. (I think we have earned it).

We want the BEST of the best to help secure our future. We are able to be picky with the contract we secured in December '07.

 

[fischman]

I think that I understand what Wolfpack is saying, it is just that he is coming across a little harshly. Especially in light of the fact that hiring standards are now tighter then they have been previously and perhaps some of the folks now on NetJet property may not have even been invited up to interview in the present hiring process.

That said, I would think that a good and thorough pre-screening process would limit the candidate pool brought up to CMH to only those that meet NetJets specifically desired pilot profile. In other words, if they bring you up for the interview they should WANT to hire you and it is up to you to convince them not too. Otherwise, it is just a waste of time and money for all parties.

You hit the nail on the head.

FYI, NJA spends about $2000 on you before you even make it to CMH. They WANT you to succeed during the interview process.

They know about sources like aviationinterviews.com, and ENCOURAGE applicants to read up on the latest. It shows a desire to do well.

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

I fully understand what the NJ guys are trying to say. It is not arrogance, it is pride in their company and what they have worked so hard to build. I for one am very tired of the inconsistency in professionalism of pilots that I have had the pleasure and displeasure of flying with at small time 135 operations. I am ready to work for a company where 99% of the pilots already there are 100% committed to excellence all of the time. That means purposefully following SOPS, regulations, safety protocols, etc. no matter what. That means that no matter who you fly with, you know it is going to be a professional cockpit and a safe flight. I have flown with so many different Captains (and been the Captain) for 135 operations. The CA sets the tone. If the tone is one of laziness, machoism, and a deliberate violation of SOPS etc, it is a miserable experience for the other pilot that is trying to do it the right way.

I am glad they are weeding the guys out that may look good on paper, but who are in the end unfit for an operation such as NetJets. My interview is Feb 25-27. I am sincerely hoping that the interview board will see in me the type of pilot, committed to safety first and then customer service, and that I will be chosen. There is always the chance that I will not be and that is ok, maybe it won't be a good fit for them now or ever. We'll see.

I think some applicants from RJ backgrounds or straight 121 backgrounds are getting turned down because of obvious misgivings about the level of customer service required. If I had to guess it is the HR interview that is gigging most of the applicants. Remember, safety first, but followed very closely by excellent customer service and a creative attitude towards solving owner's problems. Also, if you come off as someone with very little people skills you will probably not get selected.

Good luck to all and I hope to be flying with you guys real soon!

 

[cush]

FWIW 10 of 30 were hired in my class in 1996. 6 eventually went to the majors, and all have subsequently spent at least 8 of the last 12 years on furlough or no longer working for said major.

 

[skiandsurf]

I fully understand what the NJ guys are trying to say. It is not arrogance, it is pride in their company and what they have worked so hard to build.

Good luck to all and I hope to be flying with you guys real soon!

FlyAuburn and all other hopefulls, dont be fooled, this is a great company and job, but we have our problems too. If you come from an airline background, the first thing that you will notice is we have no crew rooms or crew room friendships. Most of the senior guys think that they are aviation gods, when in reallity they couldnt get hired back in the 90s when every airline was hiring. They will tell you that the airlines sucked, but these are the guys that had to... 1)pay for training , 2)move to Columbus, 3) file their own flight plans, 4) get wake up phone calls at all hours of the night to ASAP somewhere. Or go to a regional or major and have a fixed schedule with none of this other bullsh!t.

These are the guys who got hired with a pulse, now that the union has made this a respectable job, the company can be more selective as to who they hire.

Dont get me wrong, this is a great place to be, but dont kid yourself, we do have our share of problems.

Good luck to all.

 

[Go Fly]

Back to the original topic ...

Numbers I heard, and I do mean "heard", in other words - PURE RUMOR!

Receiving around 50 resumes a day, interviewing 5% of the folks sending resumes and hiring around 50% of those interviewed.

That would come out to be about 18,000 resumes received and 450 hired for 2008. That sounds a little high to me. Don't think they are planning on hiring 450 this year but it seems pretty close.

Again, PURE RUMOR. This information is for entertainment purposes only.

 

[c5driver]

Don't think they are planning on hiring 450 this year but it seems pretty close.

We are hiring 450 this year. Good news for those looking to get in.

BTW, 5 out of 11 in my group. Hired in Jan. Good Luck!

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Let me make sure I understand this post.

Obviously you didn't.... Fool? Hmm... now we're name calling?

Let me go get a juice box and my crayons and get back with you...

 

[daneav8]

So far 3 out of 11 hired from my interview group in late January.

I can't wait to start!!

 

[cldsfr79]

Besides looking at large amounts of flight time and seeing who can answer all the fluffy customer service questions, the interviewing pilots who passed the sim ride and everything else should be given one last test before getting hired.

In Columbus, take each prosepective plilot out to a plane with an enormous amount of luggage sitting next to it, the cabin being filthy, and the jepps being three revisions out of date. The test would be to see who cleans the plane the best, loads all the luggage without complaining and updates all the jepps correctly. If they do a great job and can handle doing this everyday, then they get the job.

Some pilots forget that we have to do a bit more than an airline pilot. I'm tired of guys leaving the planes in bad shape.

 

[cush]

Most of the senior guys think that they are aviation gods, when in reallity they couldnt get hired back in the 90s when every airline was hiring. They will tell you that the airlines sucked, but these are the guys that had to... 1)pay for training , 2)move to Columbus, 3) file their own flight plans, 4) get wake up phone calls at all hours of the night to ASAP somewhere. Or go to a regional or major and have a fixed schedule with none of this other bullsh!t.

These are the guys who got hired with a pulse, now that the union has made this a respectable job, the company can be more selective as to who they hire.

....Or were smart enough to recognize that Executive Jet was likely going to grow into something huge and took the gamble to stay and not give in to the big jet complex.

I personally passed on a job with one of the big 5 and know many others that did. This place wasn't great back then. But it beat the hell out of any (or my) former commuter job for pay/benefits and still had a schedule. I am in the top 5% now of NJA and certainly do not consider myself an aviation god nor do I know any who do. (the only one who might have went to NJI long ago.)

Sorry you didn't get here earlier Ski and Surf. But don't be bitter toward those who did.

 

[cush]

and perhaps some of the folks now on Netjets property may not have even been invited up to interview in the present hiring process.

Absolutely true!! But ask any very senior legacy pilot and most will say the same thing! But that's the biotch of good (or bad) timing!

 

[NJA Capt]

Most of the senior guys think that they are aviation gods, when in reallity they couldnt get hired back in the 90s when every airline was hiring.

These are the guys who got hired with a pulse...

This has to be one of the most ignorant and ill informed post I've read, even by FI standards.
Although I'm sure there are a few people like you described, you are making a very broad generalization.

I hate to break it to you but many of us weren't ga ga over the airlines. Several 121 CPs thought I was crazy when I declined their job offers in favor of Executive Jet. Yes, I was accepted at and declined airline offers in the 1990s....and I saved myself a few furloughs in the process. I do not have a questionable history that makes me "unmarketable."
I'm glad to be here and have no regrets...and I still have no desire to work for the airlines.

 

[rettofly]

Obviously you didn't.... Fool? Hmm... now we're name calling?

Let me go get a juice box and my crayons and get back with you...

I wasn't sure I properly interpreted your broad brush description, and said so.

Anyone who categorizes entire populations as you did is acting foolishly. Thus my use of the word.

BTW, you haven't availed yourself of the opportunity to clarify this and educate me.

Best wishes for success to all you "fat, lazy,etc, etc" pilots who get hired at NetJets. You will now become lean and mean "educated, team playing professionals".

My point was and is that the vast majority of pilots, regardless of where they work, are dedicated professionals.

 

[skyward80]

Besides looking at large amounts of flight time and seeing who can answer all the fluffy customer service questions, the interviewing pilots who passed the sim ride and everything else should be given one last test before getting hired.

In Columbus, take each prosepective plilot out to a plane with an enormous amount of luggage sitting next to it, the cabin being filthy, and the jepps being three revisions out of date. The test would be to see who cleans the plane the best, loads all the luggage without complaining and updates all the jepps correctly. If they do a great job and can handle doing this everyday, then they get the job.

Some pilots forget that we have to do a bit more than an airline pilot. I'm tired of guys leaving the planes in bad shape.

I've been practicing for just such an interview scenario. My secret? Playing endless Tetris games and cleaning my kitchen daily.

Skyward80

 

[RP170]

3/10 from my group in Jan.

3/10 were hired from my interview group last August as well.

 

[RNObased]

In Columbus, take each prosepective plilot out to a plane with an enormous amount of luggage sitting next to it, the cabin being filthy, and the jepps being three revisions out of date. The test would be to see who cleans the plane the best, loads all the luggage without complaining and updates all the jepps correctly. If they do a great job and can handle doing this everyday, then they get the job.

Some pilots forget that we have to do a bit more than an airline pilot. I'm tired of guys leaving the planes in bad shape.

Amen, I'm just a little sick of guys who pay someone to vacumn the back of the jet. Then when it looks bad complain, or even worse don't realize it looks bad. Don't even get me started on luggage or jepps.

 

[206amphib]

I just got the job 2 days ago. My interview group kept in touch while waiting. We sent out emails, we know of one for sure that didn't get it, and three that did which includes myself. So from what we can tell 3 out of 12 got the job. Again, I haven't heard from anyone else...so i'm guessing.

 

[imacdog]

Congrats Amphib, which fleet are you going to?

 

[tankerswede]

My interview group kept in touch as well - six of ten were hired from early Feb interviews.

 

[Mooneymite]

Number of NetJets pilots

From time to time people post info on how many pilots NetJets plans to hire. Though it doesn't forecast the future, it may be of interest to look at how the seniority list has grown in the recent past.

Just looking at the informal notes I've kept: in January 06, right after the new contract was signed, there were about 2300 pilots.

In Jan 07, there were about 2600 pilots.

In Jan 08, there were about 2730 pilots.

In two years my original seniority number has decreased 121 numbers.

Our junior captain (excepting management pilots) is about 2000, but he might be considered "out of seniority" since the "pack" seems to be making captain around 1800. Significantly, the company seems to be raising the percentage of SIC's in each fleet and comensurately lowering the percentage of captains.

The junior guy on our latest seniority list is 2782.

That is a long seniority list and one must wonder how much more it will grow and how quickly it will grow. Both of these factors are of vital interest to prospective hires.

Each year, the rumor was that NetJets planned on hiring 450 pilots. We have had some attrition, but even given that, NetJets seniority list has grown about 400 numbers in the last two years, or about 200/year.

Were I a young pilot just starting out, I would think twice about joining such a long and young seniority list due to the slow progression. However, the security and stability of NetJets is a powerful attraction for the feint of heart.

Anyone else have a different perspective?

 

[jaybird]

Were I a young pilot just starting out, I would think twice about joining such a long and young seniority list due to the slow progression. However, the security and stability of NetJets is a powerful attraction for the feint of heart.

Anyone else have a different perspective?

I rarely fly with guys under 40. I'm usually paired with guys in their 50's and 60's. I can't find the demographics charts online.