NetJets hiring percentage

[kman]

I would rather be an SIC at NJA than a widebody captain at any Major, cargo, traditional, national, regional.... and I am!

You said widebody captain. Which would put you in or close to the top 5 percent. And I never said an FO would make 150-200k. Guess you might need to look at your previous posts. And as far as schds go, I also have a friend of a family member who flys 9-11 days month on a widebody, and still loves life, and drops and trades trips and he pleases. Some months he drops down to 6 days a month, could you ever drop anything at nja? Go enjoy ur 10hr turns, vacuuming, catering and hot spare for the next 7 years waiting for upgrade.

Oh, and last I check the 727 wasn't a widebody. And which 121 carriers have you worked for? Regionals? NJA is far ahead of any regional, but for you to state that a NJA SIC is a better job that a Widebody captain at one of the premium companys out there, you sir are just plain wrong.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

I would rather be an SIC at NJA than a widebody captain at any Major, cargo, traditional, national, regional.... and I am!

I am just trying to figure out which regionals and nationals have wide bodies.

Anyway, If I was a senior wide body captain at most carriers I think I would be happy. Starting now, I would by pass the hassle and go to NJA if I could.

If you are just starting your airline career now if you have your sights set on being a wide body capt, there are a few things to consider. During your extremely long wait you will have to deal with decreased pay and benefits, the economy where for some reasons airlines will not pass on costs to customers, mergers, bankruptcies, etc etc. Its a long road that could kill many but usually just turn you grey or take your hair altogether.

 

[Jafo73]

You said widebody captain. Which would put you in or close to the top 5 percent. And I never said an FO would make 150-200k. Guess you might need to look at your previous posts. And as far as schds go, I also have a friend of a family member who flys 9-11 days month on a widebody, and still loves life, and drops and trades trips and he pleases. Some months he drops down to 6 days a month, could you ever drop anything at nja? Go enjoy ur 10hr turns, vacuuming, catering and hot spare for the next 7 years waiting for upgrade.

Oh, and last I check the 727 wasn't a widebody. And which 121 carriers have you worked for? Regionals? NJA is far ahead of any regional, but for you to state that a NJA SIC is a better job that a Widebody captain at one of the premium companys out there, you sir are just plain wrong.

Then why don't you go to a Legacy (Delta, United, NWA are hiring) and leave your TERRIBLE job at NJA. Then you wouldn't have to waste your time telling us what an awful place NJA is and how much better off we'd be somewhere else. I've done international on a widebody and am in no hurry to do it again. And, the premium companies now were not the premium companies 10 years ago... you never now who's going to be on top. These days we are all hedging our bets.

 

[CA1900]

And, the premium companies now were not the premium companies 10 years ago... you never now who's going to be on top.

That's why I'm quitting NetJets to go work for Skybus. It can only get better.... :laugh:


I agree -- kman needs to quit and go scratch his airline itch, and make room for more people who want to be here. Nobody likes flying with a disgruntled pilot.

 

[kman]

I never said it was a terrible job, I think this is a pretty dang good job, and will get better down the road, but if i get the chance and the timing is right I will take my shot.

Guys don't get me wrong, im grateful for the position im in, and im not disgruntled when i fly. I don't even talk about the airlines or other jobs unless the other guy brings it up.

It just hits a nerve when people think this is the "only" good job left. And it just doesn't make sense to me that anybody would just on the pay alone and job security, would say I rather make 70k, be junior on a seniority list and work more days, rather than make 150k and work less days and have several thousands of people underneath me on a seniority list. It just doesn't make sense to me.

I guess I was a little harsh earlier, but a little pissed off about my 3 10hr turns this tour and the company forcing us to drop the F bomb. I should have came across with a little more professional courtesy. I guess I don't have the big picture when they decide to put me on standby to cover an "area" and reduce what could have been a 12-14 overnight to a 10hr overnight three times this week. My apologizes.

 

[206amphib]

Ok I'll jump in on this one....I don't have widebody experience, but I do start at nj in the near future....for me personally....if I can make good money, enjoy the work I do, and the people I do it with, have some variety in the flying, nice equipment, I'm happy. Don't get me wrong, everyplace has issues, it comes down to how you let them get to you. I did work at a "crappy" regional, which at the time was one of the better ones, and yes I can tell already that nj will be better. I think what it comes down to is what kind of flying do you want to do? The airlines are great for some people, and for others not so much. Myself, I just didn't want to gat paid crap for the first couple of years, and wonder if i was going to get furloughed in the near future.....

Thats just me tho.....my $.02.....to each his own...

 

[Helmsalee]

Amphib, you hit it on the head. However, if you want to continue this apples to oranges comparison, I was a widebody captain at a legacy carrier until I turned 60 less than 2 weeks before the law changed to 65. If I could have stayed, of course I would have. You don't give up 31 years of seniority (equal to 20 years after 2 mergers). That said, I am hoping to get a new start at NJ. This type of flying will be new to me but it sounds interesting. As far as loading bags, cleaning planes and young captains, I think that will be ok. And super customer service will be like heaven compared to what I am used to.

 

[kman]

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[petitepilot]

It is my belief that the POSTA was done by some senior pilots, then the CBA 05 and the IBB was done by a more junior pilot group. Again, it is my belief that the more senior pilots are the NO votes on both contracts. During IBB, most of the guys bitching on the union message boards were the senior guys.

(for the uninformed....POSTA was going to pay captains $65,000....then CBA 05 was well into the $100,000s).

As far as me getting along with my fellow crewmembers.....I am easy going. I could care a less. I have more time in the flare than most captains have in the air. I have been there, done that. Now its all about days off, and getting paid. I really havent had a problem with any of the guys that I fly with....well maybe one. But I have talked to a few idiots in the FBOs (maybe you know a Falcon Capt thats based in PHX) and read some stuff on the message boards that puts off a negative tone. Maybe I shouldnt have said "most", but instead, "a few". ....unfortunately, its the few bad guys that we remember. Not all the great guys.

Again, NJs is a great company. Only wish that I was hired sooner.

As far as hiring.....
interviewing 4-5 days a week.
10/day.
hiring about 33% of interviewed.
getting 150 apps/week.
700 apps on file.
hiring 450 in '08.

phone interview.
technical interview.
customer service interview.
sim.....(might be going away).

Good luck.

Sorry to correct you, but these are the correct numbers:

Interviewing two groups of ten twice a week (20)
Hiring 50% of those interviewed (on avg)
75 NEW apps a week
Hiring 400 in "08

This info came directly from Derinda and the head of training last week.

 

[av8tor4239]

It just hits a nerve when people think this is the "only" good job left. And it just doesn't make sense to me that anybody would just on the pay alone and job security, would say I rather make 70k, be junior on a seniority list and work more days, rather than make 150k and work less days and have several thousands of people underneath me on a seniority list. It just doesn't make sense to me.

a little pissed off about my 3 10hr turns this tour and the company forcing us to drop the F bomb. I guess I don't have the big picture when they decide to put me on standby to cover an "area" and reduce what could have been a 12-14 overnight to a 10hr overnight three times this week. My apologizes.

I am not trying to start a war with you. I do totaly disagree with you. I think it comes down to motivation. The way you feel about your job at NetJets, I felt about my Job at the Regional.

If you have never flown for a 121 carrier your " Catch Me If You Can" view of the airline pilot life is a FARCE, It just not exist at any airline today. Dealing with Crew Scheduling, working an airline reserve schedule, eating overpriced terminal crap for the rest of your life.... AM hub turns, 8 HOUR REDUCED REST OVERNIGHT.. YES SIR.. 8 HOURS. 16 HOUR DUTY DAYS... Having your sick bank reduce when you call in " F Bomb".....

How about CDO's.. for those that dont know what these 121 gems are.. Continuous Duty Overnights... Last flight out First Flight in...

I can go on and on, but again the stuff that counts is the way you are treated, and even if you are a FedEx widebody captain.. making your $226/ hour you are still and expendable number.. that is all!

 

[CA1900]

... eating overpriced terminal crap for the rest of your life....

Ugh... kill me.... I'm still having flashbacks to the awful food in CLE.

8 HOUR REDUCED REST OVERNIGHT.. YES SIR.. 8 HOURS. 16 HOUR DUTY DAYS...

Yep. Dealt with those repeatedly. And they weren't just for delays -- my last airline had scheduled overnights as short as 8:10. Ridiculous.

Continuous Duty Overnights... Last flight out First Flight in...

And when you work for some sleazy operators, there's no hotel involved in such an "overnight." At least Mesa's nice enough to give the crews plywood planks to bridge the aisle of the airplane, for a better "nap." Ugh.

 

[imacdog]

At my old job those three 10-hour overnights would have all been considered compensatory rest overnights. You haven't lived until you're on a four day reserve trip that turns into six, with the fifth night being an eight hour reduced rest. Call in fatigue? Sure, no sweat, just be prepared to explain to the chief pilot why you couldn't deal with a perfectly legal schedule, oh and by the way you won't be getting paid for those legs you had to drop. But go ahead, please go to the airlines, I could move up a number, you could fly a 737 heavy, and someone who would actually like to be here will get their chance. Sounds like a game plan to me!

 

[fam62c]

Lets hope so. I for one would prefer to keep NetJets THE premier company to work for, thus keeping the rift-raft flying for the other guys.

Yes, I know I sound like a "higher than thou" pilot... but the truth hurts, and this industry, like all others has its share of excellent, educated, motivated, team playing professionals who are second to none (the ones I want at NetJets). And then it has the fat, lazy, complaining, terrible non-professionals as well (the ones I dont want at NetJets).

Just my .02
Wolfpack

One of the worst employees I've ever seen from my former employer flies for NJ. We fired him for gross misconduct and he was very unpopular with other crewmembers. I wouldn't ride in the back of an airplane with this person flying. NJ is a great company but arrogance is dangerous. With a few notable exceptions, pilots are pilots wherever you go so don't assume that you are better than everyone else.......you are not.

 

[Rook]

One of the worst employees I've ever seen from my former employer flies for NJ. We fired him for gross misconduct and he was very unpopular with other crewmembers.

How does someone like this get through the screening process? F**k up, Move up. I still don't get this industry sometimes.

 

[kman]

Flew for 2 121 carriers, and yes 8 hours, cdo's suck, but how many 777 or 747 captains are doing CDO's or 8 hour turns?( I actually bidded CDO's so I could be home every day, but my airline gave us a hotel(7hour turn) and could not me do more than the 1 leg going out and the 1 leg coming in.)

You compare a SENIOR WIDEBODY CAPTAIN to a NJA SIC. Ask any of the retired legacy captains here which job they enjoyed more? The 3 I have meet would give up there NJA CA slot in a second do get back to the left seat of a widebody. And I never once said the path to the left seat of a widebody CA is all peaches and cream, all I said is once u get to a widebody Ca poistion he or she has more pay, Qol, days off, flexibility than any NJ SIC.

Ive flown for two 121 carriers and have done all of the bs that comes along with it, but when it comes down to it we are all just a number at every company(If you think other wise, you may have a surprise your way). With that being said, do you think RTS would cry a tear if we had to furlough? I could argue until I'm blue in the face but I guess we just have to agree to disagree. Its DAY 6, I GET TO GO HOME TOMORROW! SEE YA

 

[kman]

At my old job those three 10-hour overnights would have all been considered compensatory rest overnights. You haven't lived until you're on a four day reserve trip that turns into six, with the fifth night being an eight hour reduced rest. Call in fatigue? Sure, no sweat, just be prepared to explain to the chief pilot why you couldn't deal with a perfectly legal schedule, oh and by the way you won't be getting paid for those legs you had to drop. But go ahead, please go to the airlines, I could move up a number, you could fly a 737 heavy, and someone who would actually like to be here will get their chance. Sounds like a game plan to me!

Looks like ur another rj pilot that thinks that this is the only gig in town. Which Legacy "737 " heavy carrier have you worked for? A lot of regional guys who have came over seem to think all the 121 jobs are the same.

And as far "Heavys" I could care less about the heavy part(except for a comfortable cockpit, and cessna doesnt even make a plane with a comfortable cockpit),all I care about is QOL, PAY, SCHEDULE, and TIME OFF. If I knew for sure NJ would give me more flexibility for dropping and trading, more pay, more time off down the road, with seniority I would stay in a heart beat.

After yr 10 what do you get?, almost nothing. After yr 10 with 4 weeks of vac, u avg 12.83 days a month of work through out the year. Why can't I or anybody want more time off or pay after 10 years? The raises don't even cover inflation. Not to say NJ hasn't come a long way, its still in my opinion underpaid, SIC's work at least 2x as hard as far as any 121 fo(QOL at work). QOL on the road suck for the busier fleets and If I had it my way 2nd yr FO pay would be 100k(150k for Ca's) and a better schedules would be available for senior FO's and Captains(for the same amount of pay as the 7n7).

You guys dont think i want to be be here. Your wrong, I do want to be here, and am grateful to have the job I have, I just want more. Im greedy and would love to see this job pay more , have more time off, and have more schd flexibility.

 

[imacdog]

You compare a SENIOR WIDEBODY CAPTAIN to a NJA SIC. Ask any of the retired legacy captains here which job they enjoyed more? The 3 I have meet would give up there NJA CA slot in a second do get back to the left seat of a widebody. And I never once said the path to the left seat of a widebody CA is all peaches and cream, all I said is once u get to a widebody Ca poistion he or she has more pay, Qol, days off, flexibility than any NJ SIC.

(tabulating the results)

I guess the difference would be 20 years? Sound about right?

 

[VFR on Top]

And then it has the fat, lazy, complaining, terrible non-professionals as well (the ones I dont want at NetJets).

What does a person's waistline have to do with their professionalism? Can't wait to hear your opinions on dem negroes, joooos, women or any other minority that doesn't fit into your Aryan mold.

 

[Buddro]

Sorry to correct you, but these are the correct numbers:

Interviewing two groups of ten twice a week (20)
Hiring 50% of those interviewed (on avg)
75 NEW apps a week
Hiring 400 in "08

This info came directly from Derinda and the head of training last week.

Actually the President of Netjets told us in a recent recurrent class that they were hiring 451 pilots this year....FWIW

 

[commuterguy]

Some of you NJ guys are quite sensative. The second someone says something other than complete praise and escelation over the company you are all right on him. You seem to take it so personal, like the person is insulting your wife. It seems so childish.