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From the age charts posted on the union website the average age at the company seems to be about 45. I understand if you are looking at the top 50% that number is closer to 40. There is a link to the charts from the message board - look for a thread titled seniority information - online. Not sure why you cant get to them from the ibt site.
 
FlyAuburn and all other hopefulls, dont be fooled, this is a great company and job, but we have our problems too. If you come from an airline background, the first thing that you will notice is we have no crew rooms or crew room friendships. Most of the senior guys think that they are aviation gods, when in reallity they couldnt get hired back in the 90s when every airline was hiring. They will tell you that the airlines sucked, but these are the guys that had to... 1)pay for training , 2)move to Columbus, 3) file their own flight plans, 4) get wake up phone calls at all hours of the night to ASAP somewhere. Or go to a regional or major and have a fixed schedule with none of this other bullsh!t.

These are the guys who got hired with a pulse, now that the union has made this a respectable job, the company can be more selective as to who they hire.

Dont get me wrong, this is a great place to be, but dont kid yourself, we do have our share of problems.

Good luck to all.

Wow! As arrogant a post as I've seen in a long time! Just FYI, I was hired back in '97 (just hit 11 years here). Yeah, I paid for my own training. So what? This place beat the heck out of where I was working, and I didn't have ANY apps in at the airlines at the time (nothing disqualifiying in my past, except maybe I only have an Associates degree. Just never had big-plane-itus)
I also didn't move to CMH. I commuted from CLE, and thought every minute of the two-hour drive was worth it compared to my last job. Again, not sure why being based at the only base Netjets had at the time is negative thing in your opinion.
Yes, we filed our own flight plans. Still not seeing any relevance towards what kind of quality pilots we were taking on back then. It was a fledgling company and we didn't have real dispatchers. No crime in that.
Yes, our old duty and rest rules allowed for early wake-up calls from the company, provided it didn't interrupt our necessary 10 hours of rest. Prospective rest in 91K fixed that, not some hot new breed of pilot you think NJA is hiring with our better contract.
And I certainly DO NOT consider myself an aviation god by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, part of the introductory briefing that I give to anyone I'm paired with whom I haven't flown with before is to remind them that I'm human, make mistakes, and would like to go home alive just as much as he would, so please don't hesitate to point out anything that doesn't look right. And I've found the vast majority of the senior guys to have the same attitude.

By the way, when you say 'the union' made this a respectable job, you're right. Just don't forget that the 'union' is the pilots that work here. The senior guys you seem to disdain so much have contributed quite a bit to making this the job it is now, whether you want to aknowledge it or not.

It's obvious, ski, you carry around quite a large chip on your shoulder about the senior pilots here. Did it ever occur to you that whether you're aware of it or not, this chip may be very visible to the senior folks you fly with, thus helping to create a defensive atmosphere which reinforces your opinion of the senior pilots? I'm no psychologist, but you might be your own worst enemy in this case.
 
Were I a young pilot just starting out, I would think twice about joining such a long and young seniority list due to the slow progression. However, the security and stability of NetJets is a powerful attraction for the feint of heart.

Anyone else have a different perspective?

I would rather be an SIC at NJA than a widebody captain at any Major, cargo, traditional, national, regional.... and I am!
 
I would rather be an SIC at NJA than a widebody captain at any Major, cargo, traditional, national, regional.... and I am!

Lets examine this.
SIC NJA
50-70k, cleaning and stocking, long upgrade, great benefits and 401k, no better than 7n7 with no flexibility(tour swap really doesn't count), crew food, dealing with briefing and catering, clearance, having very little seniority, nice Vacation, cramped cockpit, higher workload.

CA widebody (UPS, FEDEX, AA etc)
150-200k plus Lots of seniority, flexibility of trading, dropping, knowing what ur doing when ur doing it, no 10 turns, low workload, long overnights, good schedules, ok benefits, more days off per month, pension for the above airlines(might go away, might not), being the captain,(almost at any good company, it is always better the the ca, than the fo, u set the pace and the fo has to adjust to u), being able to work less if that is what u choose.

Hey I trade my NJ SIC position to any Widebody CA at any Legacy or UPS, or Fedex. I dont think i will get any offers anytime soon.
 
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Im not sure...do they have us pick in class or before when they call to confirm the class? They say they're looking at the excel and the X....

Normally when they call to offer the job, they'll also give you the fleets that you have to choose from. That's how it was done when I was hired in 2004. From what I understand from a recent new-hire, it still works that way.

And the fleets that they "are looking at" during your interview may or may not be the fleets you get to choose from when you're offered a job. Sort of a your-mileage-may-vary situation.

Good luck to you.
 
Wow! By the way, when you say 'the union' made this a respectable job, you're right. Just don't forget that the 'union' is the pilots that work here. The senior guys you seem to disdain so much have contributed quite a bit to making this the job it is now, whether you want to aknowledge it or not.

It's obvious, ski, you carry around quite a large chip on your shoulder about the senior pilots here. Did it ever occur to you that whether you're aware of it or not, this chip may be very visible to the senior folks you fly with, thus helping to create a defensive atmosphere which reinforces your opinion of the senior pilots? I'm no psychologist, but you might be your own worst enemy in this case.

It is my belief that the POSTA was done by some senior pilots, then the CBA 05 and the IBB was done by a more junior pilot group. Again, it is my belief that the more senior pilots are the NO votes on both contracts. During IBB, most of the guys bitching on the union message boards were the senior guys.

(for the uninformed....POSTA was going to pay captains $65,000....then CBA 05 was well into the $100,000s).

As far as me getting along with my fellow crewmembers.....I am easy going. I could care a less. I have more time in the flare than most captains have in the air. I have been there, done that. Now its all about days off, and getting paid. I really havent had a problem with any of the guys that I fly with....well maybe one. But I have talked to a few idiots in the FBOs (maybe you know a Falcon Capt thats based in PHX) and read some stuff on the message boards that puts off a negative tone. Maybe I shouldnt have said "most", but instead, "a few". ....unfortunately, its the few bad guys that we remember. Not all the great guys.

Again, NJs is a great company. Only wish that I was hired sooner.

As far as hiring.....
interviewing 4-5 days a week.
10/day.
hiring about 33% of interviewed.
getting 150 apps/week.
700 apps on file.
hiring 450 in '08.

phone interview.
technical interview.
customer service interview.
sim.....(might be going away).

Good luck.
 
"(maybe you know a Falcon Capt thats based in PHX) "

Uh, yeah, I know of him. Okay, I stand corrected. There are a few guys that can give us a bad name. The guy you're talking about works really hard at it.

It was interesting in the weeks leading up to the IBB vote because it seemed like many of the 'no' votes would be coming from guys in the 6-8 year range.

I know of most of the loud-mouths on the union message board, and most of them do not fall into the most senior pilot category. A few, but it seems to be that really vocal 6-8 year range that yell the loudest.

As someone who has been through several contracts here, I think it wasn't senior guys resting on our laurels back in the day that was the real problem. We simply lacked effective leadership, or even a good understanding of what a unified group could do. At the time, we had less than 300 pilots. And not many of us had good solid union experience (EJA was my first union job). 300 disorganized pilots with weak leadership didn't represent much of a threat to EJA management.
As we gained numbers, we also gained people with experience in unions. Their is a lot of criticism of the Fab 5 (deservedly so), but they were, in fact, a better and more effective group than what we had before. So while far FAR from perfect, we were already at least trying to move in the right direction and effect some change for the better.
So the rolling ball was started by those who are senior here. It may have been rolling very slowly at first, and I give much credit to all the folks hired in the past 10 years for really giving that ball of change a massive push, but don't write off the senior folks just because we were hired before the change started. That's all.
 
Lets examine this.

CA widebody (UPS, FEDEX, AA etc)
150-200k plus Lots of seniority, flexibility of trading, dropping, knowing what ur doing when ur doing it, no 10 turns, low workload, long overnights, good schedules, ok benefits, more days off per month, pension for the above airlines(might go away, might not), being the captain,(almost at any good company, it is always better the the ca, than the fo, u set the pace and the fo has to adjust to u), being able to work less if that is what u choose.

Hey I trade my NJ SIC position to any Widebody CA at any Legacy or UPS, or Fedex. I dont think i will get any offers anytime soon.

The only response I have for you is BORING BORING BORING.

I have done the airline thing.... Talk about rot.. Lets talk about FedEx in particular since I have imediate family flying for them.

YOu will not make 150-200k a year until year 10+ as an FO.. on top of that you will be based in HONG KONG where the cost of living makes Manhatten look like Bucksnort, TN. (really exist too). YOu will Die the day you turn 62 becuase you have been flying HAZMAT from the CDC in Atlanta, and Chemical and nuclear weapons for the governmet for 20+ years.. not to mention all of it on the back side of the clock. You are garenteed to get divorced or have your wife/girlfriend/partner leave you or attempt to murder you http://www.aetv.com/city_confidential/city_episode_guide.jsp?episode=135846

No 10 hour turns huh... ask some of the 727 guys sitting sideways about the am hub turns to BFE texas and Montana..

Good Schedules.. that is freaking funny, maybe for the top 5% but since age 65 passed 30 year guys are still MOVING BACKWARDS ON THIS SO CALLED "LOTS OF SENORITY"

Everyone has a different view.. having worked for 2 121 carriers I can honestly say that knowing where you are sleeping on a nightly basis is minor. Being treated well by the company is worth its weight in gold.
 
I would rather be an SIC at NJA than a widebody captain at any Major, cargo, traditional, national, regional.... and I am!

You said widebody captain. Which would put you in or close to the top 5 percent. And I never said an FO would make 150-200k. Guess you might need to look at your previous posts. And as far as schds go, I also have a friend of a family member who flys 9-11 days month on a widebody, and still loves life, and drops and trades trips and he pleases. Some months he drops down to 6 days a month, could you ever drop anything at nja? Go enjoy ur 10hr turns, vacuuming, catering and hot spare for the next 7 years waiting for upgrade.

Oh, and last I check the 727 wasn't a widebody. And which 121 carriers have you worked for? Regionals? NJA is far ahead of any regional, but for you to state that a NJA SIC is a better job that a Widebody captain at one of the premium companys out there, you sir are just plain wrong.
 
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I would rather be an SIC at NJA than a widebody captain at any Major, cargo, traditional, national, regional.... and I am!

I am just trying to figure out which regionals and nationals have wide bodies.

Anyway, If I was a senior wide body captain at most carriers I think I would be happy. Starting now, I would by pass the hassle and go to NJA if I could.

If you are just starting your airline career now if you have your sights set on being a wide body capt, there are a few things to consider. During your extremely long wait you will have to deal with decreased pay and benefits, the economy where for some reasons airlines will not pass on costs to customers, mergers, bankruptcies, etc etc. Its a long road that could kill many but usually just turn you grey or take your hair altogether.
 
You said widebody captain. Which would put you in or close to the top 5 percent. And I never said an FO would make 150-200k. Guess you might need to look at your previous posts. And as far as schds go, I also have a friend of a family member who flys 9-11 days month on a widebody, and still loves life, and drops and trades trips and he pleases. Some months he drops down to 6 days a month, could you ever drop anything at nja? Go enjoy ur 10hr turns, vacuuming, catering and hot spare for the next 7 years waiting for upgrade.

Oh, and last I check the 727 wasn't a widebody. And which 121 carriers have you worked for? Regionals? NJA is far ahead of any regional, but for you to state that a NJA SIC is a better job that a Widebody captain at one of the premium companys out there, you sir are just plain wrong.

Then why don't you go to a Legacy (Delta, United, NWA are hiring) and leave your TERRIBLE job at NJA. Then you wouldn't have to waste your time telling us what an awful place NJA is and how much better off we'd be somewhere else. I've done international on a widebody and am in no hurry to do it again. And, the premium companies now were not the premium companies 10 years ago... you never now who's going to be on top. These days we are all hedging our bets.
 
And, the premium companies now were not the premium companies 10 years ago... you never now who's going to be on top.


That's why I'm quitting NetJets to go work for Skybus. It can only get better.... :laugh:


I agree -- kman needs to quit and go scratch his airline itch, and make room for more people who want to be here. Nobody likes flying with a disgruntled pilot.
 
I never said it was a terrible job, I think this is a pretty dang good job, and will get better down the road, but if i get the chance and the timing is right I will take my shot.

Guys don't get me wrong, im grateful for the position im in, and im not disgruntled when i fly. I don't even talk about the airlines or other jobs unless the other guy brings it up.

It just hits a nerve when people think this is the "only" good job left. And it just doesn't make sense to me that anybody would just on the pay alone and job security, would say I rather make 70k, be junior on a seniority list and work more days, rather than make 150k and work less days and have several thousands of people underneath me on a seniority list. It just doesn't make sense to me.

I guess I was a little harsh earlier, but a little pissed off about my 3 10hr turns this tour and the company forcing us to drop the F bomb. I should have came across with a little more professional courtesy. I guess I don't have the big picture when they decide to put me on standby to cover an "area" and reduce what could have been a 12-14 overnight to a 10hr overnight three times this week. My apologizes.
 
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Ok I'll jump in on this one....I don't have widebody experience, but I do start at nj in the near future....for me personally....if I can make good money, enjoy the work I do, and the people I do it with, have some variety in the flying, nice equipment, I'm happy. Don't get me wrong, everyplace has issues, it comes down to how you let them get to you. I did work at a "crappy" regional, which at the time was one of the better ones, and yes I can tell already that nj will be better. I think what it comes down to is what kind of flying do you want to do? The airlines are great for some people, and for others not so much. Myself, I just didn't want to gat paid crap for the first couple of years, and wonder if i was going to get furloughed in the near future.....

Thats just me tho.....my $.02.....to each his own...
 
Amphib, you hit it on the head. However, if you want to continue this apples to oranges comparison, I was a widebody captain at a legacy carrier until I turned 60 less than 2 weeks before the law changed to 65. If I could have stayed, of course I would have. You don't give up 31 years of seniority (equal to 20 years after 2 mergers). That said, I am hoping to get a new start at NJ. This type of flying will be new to me but it sounds interesting. As far as loading bags, cleaning planes and young captains, I think that will be ok. And super customer service will be like heaven compared to what I am used to.
 
It is my belief that the POSTA was done by some senior pilots, then the CBA 05 and the IBB was done by a more junior pilot group. Again, it is my belief that the more senior pilots are the NO votes on both contracts. During IBB, most of the guys bitching on the union message boards were the senior guys.

(for the uninformed....POSTA was going to pay captains $65,000....then CBA 05 was well into the $100,000s).

As far as me getting along with my fellow crewmembers.....I am easy going. I could care a less. I have more time in the flare than most captains have in the air. I have been there, done that. Now its all about days off, and getting paid. I really havent had a problem with any of the guys that I fly with....well maybe one. But I have talked to a few idiots in the FBOs (maybe you know a Falcon Capt thats based in PHX) and read some stuff on the message boards that puts off a negative tone. Maybe I shouldnt have said "most", but instead, "a few". ....unfortunately, its the few bad guys that we remember. Not all the great guys.

Again, NJs is a great company. Only wish that I was hired sooner.

As far as hiring.....
interviewing 4-5 days a week.
10/day.
hiring about 33% of interviewed.
getting 150 apps/week.
700 apps on file.
hiring 450 in '08.

phone interview.
technical interview.
customer service interview.
sim.....(might be going away).

Good luck.

Sorry to correct you, but these are the correct numbers:

Interviewing two groups of ten twice a week (20)
Hiring 50% of those interviewed (on avg)
75 NEW apps a week
Hiring 400 in "08

This info came directly from Derinda and the head of training last week.
 
It just hits a nerve when people think this is the "only" good job left. And it just doesn't make sense to me that anybody would just on the pay alone and job security, would say I rather make 70k, be junior on a seniority list and work more days, rather than make 150k and work less days and have several thousands of people underneath me on a seniority list. It just doesn't make sense to me.

a little pissed off about my 3 10hr turns this tour and the company forcing us to drop the F bomb. I guess I don't have the big picture when they decide to put me on standby to cover an "area" and reduce what could have been a 12-14 overnight to a 10hr overnight three times this week. My apologizes.

I am not trying to start a war with you. I do totaly disagree with you. I think it comes down to motivation. The way you feel about your job at NetJets, I felt about my Job at the Regional.

If you have never flown for a 121 carrier your " Catch Me If You Can" view of the airline pilot life is a FARCE, It just not exist at any airline today. Dealing with Crew Scheduling, working an airline reserve schedule, eating overpriced terminal crap for the rest of your life.... AM hub turns, 8 HOUR REDUCED REST OVERNIGHT.. YES SIR.. 8 HOURS. 16 HOUR DUTY DAYS... Having your sick bank reduce when you call in " F Bomb".....

How about CDO's.. for those that dont know what these 121 gems are.. Continuous Duty Overnights... Last flight out First Flight in...

I can go on and on, but again the stuff that counts is the way you are treated, and even if you are a FedEx widebody captain.. making your $226/ hour you are still and expendable number.. that is all!
 
... eating overpriced terminal crap for the rest of your life....

Ugh... kill me.... I'm still having flashbacks to the awful food in CLE.

8 HOUR REDUCED REST OVERNIGHT.. YES SIR.. 8 HOURS. 16 HOUR DUTY DAYS...


Yep. Dealt with those repeatedly. And they weren't just for delays -- my last airline had scheduled overnights as short as 8:10. Ridiculous.

Continuous Duty Overnights... Last flight out First Flight in...

And when you work for some sleazy operators, there's no hotel involved in such an "overnight." At least Mesa's nice enough to give the crews plywood planks to bridge the aisle of the airplane, for a better "nap." Ugh.
 
At my old job those three 10-hour overnights would have all been considered compensatory rest overnights. You haven't lived until you're on a four day reserve trip that turns into six, with the fifth night being an eight hour reduced rest. Call in fatigue? Sure, no sweat, just be prepared to explain to the chief pilot why you couldn't deal with a perfectly legal schedule, oh and by the way you won't be getting paid for those legs you had to drop. But go ahead, please go to the airlines, I could move up a number, you could fly a 737 heavy, and someone who would actually like to be here will get their chance. Sounds like a game plan to me!
 
Lets hope so. I for one would prefer to keep NetJets THE premier company to work for, thus keeping the rift-raft flying for the other guys.

Yes, I know I sound like a "higher than thou" pilot... but the truth hurts, and this industry, like all others has its share of excellent, educated, motivated, team playing professionals who are second to none (the ones I want at NetJets). And then it has the fat, lazy, complaining, terrible non-professionals as well (the ones I dont want at NetJets).

Just my .02
Wolfpack

One of the worst employees I've ever seen from my former employer flies for NJ. We fired him for gross misconduct and he was very unpopular with other crewmembers. I wouldn't ride in the back of an airplane with this person flying. NJ is a great company but arrogance is dangerous. With a few notable exceptions, pilots are pilots wherever you go so don't assume that you are better than everyone else.......you are not.
 
One of the worst employees I've ever seen from my former employer flies for NJ. We fired him for gross misconduct and he was very unpopular with other crewmembers.

How does someone like this get through the screening process? F**k up, Move up. I still don't get this industry sometimes.
 
Flew for 2 121 carriers, and yes 8 hours, cdo's suck, but how many 777 or 747 captains are doing CDO's or 8 hour turns?( I actually bidded CDO's so I could be home every day, but my airline gave us a hotel(7hour turn) and could not me do more than the 1 leg going out and the 1 leg coming in.)

You compare a SENIOR WIDEBODY CAPTAIN to a NJA SIC. Ask any of the retired legacy captains here which job they enjoyed more? The 3 I have meet would give up there NJA CA slot in a second do get back to the left seat of a widebody. And I never once said the path to the left seat of a widebody CA is all peaches and cream, all I said is once u get to a widebody Ca poistion he or she has more pay, Qol, days off, flexibility than any NJ SIC.

Ive flown for two 121 carriers and have done all of the bs that comes along with it, but when it comes down to it we are all just a number at every company(If you think other wise, you may have a surprise your way). With that being said, do you think RTS would cry a tear if we had to furlough? I could argue until I'm blue in the face but I guess we just have to agree to disagree. Its DAY 6, I GET TO GO HOME TOMORROW! SEE YA
 
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At my old job those three 10-hour overnights would have all been considered compensatory rest overnights. You haven't lived until you're on a four day reserve trip that turns into six, with the fifth night being an eight hour reduced rest. Call in fatigue? Sure, no sweat, just be prepared to explain to the chief pilot why you couldn't deal with a perfectly legal schedule, oh and by the way you won't be getting paid for those legs you had to drop. But go ahead, please go to the airlines, I could move up a number, you could fly a 737 heavy, and someone who would actually like to be here will get their chance. Sounds like a game plan to me!

Looks like ur another rj pilot that thinks that this is the only gig in town. Which Legacy "737 " heavy carrier have you worked for? A lot of regional guys who have came over seem to think all the 121 jobs are the same.

And as far "Heavys" I could care less about the heavy part(except for a comfortable cockpit, and cessna doesnt even make a plane with a comfortable cockpit),all I care about is QOL, PAY, SCHEDULE, and TIME OFF. If I knew for sure NJ would give me more flexibility for dropping and trading, more pay, more time off down the road, with seniority I would stay in a heart beat.

After yr 10 what do you get?, almost nothing. After yr 10 with 4 weeks of vac, u avg 12.83 days a month of work through out the year. Why can't I or anybody want more time off or pay after 10 years? The raises don't even cover inflation. Not to say NJ hasn't come a long way, its still in my opinion underpaid, SIC's work at least 2x as hard as far as any 121 fo(QOL at work). QOL on the road suck for the busier fleets and If I had it my way 2nd yr FO pay would be 100k(150k for Ca's) and a better schedules would be available for senior FO's and Captains(for the same amount of pay as the 7n7).

You guys dont think i want to be be here. Your wrong, I do want to be here, and am grateful to have the job I have, I just want more. Im greedy and would love to see this job pay more , have more time off, and have more schd flexibility.
 
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You compare a SENIOR WIDEBODY CAPTAIN to a NJA SIC. Ask any of the retired legacy captains here which job they enjoyed more? The 3 I have meet would give up there NJA CA slot in a second do get back to the left seat of a widebody. And I never once said the path to the left seat of a widebody CA is all peaches and cream, all I said is once u get to a widebody Ca poistion he or she has more pay, Qol, days off, flexibility than any NJ SIC.

(tabulating the results)

I guess the difference would be 20 years? Sound about right?
 
And then it has the fat, lazy, complaining, terrible non-professionals as well (the ones I dont want at NetJets).

What does a person's waistline have to do with their professionalism? Can't wait to hear your opinions on dem negroes, joooos, women or any other minority that doesn't fit into your Aryan mold.
 
Sorry to correct you, but these are the correct numbers:

Interviewing two groups of ten twice a week (20)
Hiring 50% of those interviewed (on avg)
75 NEW apps a week
Hiring 400 in "08

This info came directly from Derinda and the head of training last week.

Actually the President of Netjets told us in a recent recurrent class that they were hiring 451 pilots this year....FWIW
 
Some of you NJ guys are quite sensative. The second someone says something other than complete praise and escelation over the company you are all right on him. You seem to take it so personal, like the person is insulting your wife. It seems so childish.
 

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