NetJets hiring percentage

[learflyer]

Some of you NJ guys are quite sensative. The second someone says something other than complete praise and escelation over the company you are all right on him. You seem to take it so personal, like the person is insulting your wife. It seems so childish.[/quote


Im glad someone else notices this.

 

[206amphib]

Sorry to correct you, but these are the correct numbers:

Interviewing two groups of ten twice a week (20)
Hiring 50% of those interviewed (on avg)
75 NEW apps a week
Hiring 400 in "08

This info came directly from Derinda and the head of training last week.

As of today, interviewing 3x a week...about 33% getting hired...her words were that the hiring projections change weekly....

 

[av8tor4239]

And I never once said the path to the left seat of a widebody CA is all peaches and cream, all I said is once u get to a widebody Ca poistion he or she has more pay, Qol, days off, flexibility than any NJ SIC.

How old are you? I am assuming no less than 30... If you are not less than 30 years old you will never see widebody captain at a legacy carrier... especially not at Fedex or UPS... assuming you got hired today!

The "peaches and cream" of being a widebody captain is not worth the hell you have to live to get there.... If you ever get there.. once you can hold widbody captain at a legacy or Fedex/UPS you will be over 65 and you will have done it all for nothing because I can tell you FIRST HAND.. that 30 year captains at Fedex are moving backwards right now!

Your argument is unrealistic.... there are many widebody captains with much less QOL than a NJ SIC... I know them personally.. They had to sell thier souls to the devil himself to get the position they are in.. Families left them, bankrupt from the divorces been through umteen furloughs, deregulation, Lorenzo's etc.. they are having to pick up trips on their days off just to pay the alamony.



:bomb: :uzi:

 

[jrmyl]

So...

Back to what this thread started about.

So far, in my class it appears that 4 out of 12 have been hired. I haven't heard from everyone though so it could be higher. I hope it is since I think everyone there would make a good NJA pilot.

jrmyl

 

[kman]

just turned 28, been at NJ for 2.5 yrs. First hand huh? Did u quit fedex to come to NJ?, maybe u should state u what u really mean. Every statement u make seems to be about the way to a wide body ca slot not the position itself. Every statement I have made is about the position itself.

All I have been saying is most Ca's on a widebody have a better QOL, time off, and pay than a NJA SIC.

"I would rather be an SIC at NJA than a widebody captain at any Major, cargo, traditional, national, regional...."
(Which regionals have Widebodies?")

"No 10 hour turns huh... ask some of the 727 guys sitting sideways about the am hub turns to BFE texas and Montana.."
(Is a 72 a widebody? And we dont go to BFE texas? How many 3:30 am wake upcalls have I had this week? 4!!!)

"YOu will not make 150-200k a year until year 10+ as an FO"
(I never said anything about about an FO, only CA)

"The only response I have for you is BORING BORING BORING. "
(I would rather be bored with 150k+ as a CA and 5-7000 guys below me, than a newhire on any seniority list)


"you are still and expendable number.. that is all!"
(Guess RTS thinks of us as all like his close and friends right? and not just a number?)

8 HOUR REDUCED REST OVERNIGHT.. YES SIR.. 8 HOURS. 16 HOUR DUTY DAYS...
(How many min turns and CDO are a widebody doing? 0. Im average three two to three 10hr turns a week)



Which widebody job have u had? Have u only worked for Regionals? And why do you keep changing ur argument?

Unrealistic? I know of 3 widebody captains that have way way better QOL than a pretty senior FO here(me). I really do think this is a pretty good job but, u act like making more money and more days off is bad. In ur statement u constantly state how bad the airlines are, are you telling u me an nj sic position is perfect? What did it take for you to get where u are? Its so worth it since it is only NJ, but its not worth for anywhere else huh? U cant even consider there might be better jobs out there and I know of plenty of Ca's and Fo's that still have a pretty good QOL, How many pilots at NJ have the option of coming home every night? I know several that work for majors and legacys that do. Several Regional friends come home every night to tuck there kids in every night making 90k, but the 7n7 is better than coming every night right? Oh, I guess being at NJ guarantee that u wont get divored huh? Are u just a little bitter? Tell me how much you will like ur job in 6 years from know since u still will be an fo? Good luck with that? And Remember ALL NJA SIC's HAVE BETTER QOL THAN ALL AIRLINE PILOTS!

 

[av8tor4239]

I will respond after you pull a Billy Madison and learn English..

 

[commuterguy]

I will respond after you pull a Billy Madison and learn English..

That's a weak response...

Always funny how people attack how someone spells on a message board. They are meant to be very informal and casual means of communication...not term papers. I sir think you are making some very big blanket statements. You can't say that all airline and/or regional pilots have crappy jobs/lifestyles anymore than how some people on these boards claim that you guys spend your days kissing rich peoples rear ends and dumping lavs. Its all in what a person wants. You can say that you are happy doing what you do, and weren't happy doing your last regional job. You can't say that the guy who stayed at a regional because he wants to be home more and not wake up Christmas morning in a hotel room, and not be flying while little Jimmy is playing soccer on Saturday is not enjoying a good quality of life. There are some that would rather quit flying than go on the road for 7 days. I have a friend who would never even consider WN because he only wants to fly wide body international. WN would be my first choice, no real desire to fly international. Its all what a person wants.

Aside from the bickering, I do think it is impressive that you are so happy doing what you are doing. I can't amagine many people, including pilots can say that with the conviction that you do.

 

[fischman]

I will respond after you pull a Billy Madison and learn English..

That's a weak response...

Always funny how people attack how someone spells on a message board. They are meant to be very informal and casual means of communication...not term papers. I sir think you are making some very big blanket statements. You can't say that all airline and/or regional pilots have crappy jobs/lifestyles With all due respect, I think you can. I've been at both. There is not a regional out there that comes close to the fractional lifestyle. anymore than how some people on these boards claim that you guys spend your days kissing rich peoples rear ends and dumping lavs. Talk about blanket statement!?! I have NEVER changed out a lav. Tip a line guy and expense it to the company. That is their job. Its all in what a person wants. You can say that you are happy doing what you do, and weren't happy doing your last regional job. You can't say that the guy who stayed at a regional because he wants to be home more When I worked at my regional I slept anywhere from 6 to 8 nights a month in my own bed. Now it is at least 15. and not wake up Christmas morning in a hotel room, and not be flying while little Jimmy is playing soccer on Saturday is not enjoying a good quality of life. There are some that would rather quit flying than go on the road for 7 days. Do your research again before making blanket statements. The 7&7 is not the only schedule available in the Frac world. I have a friend who would never even consider WN because he only wants to fly wide body international. Big, Shiny, Jet-Syndrome. It is cureable. WN would be my first choice, no real desire to fly international. Its all what a person wants.

Aside from the bickering, I do think it is impressive that you are so happy doing what you are doing. I can't amagine many people, including pilots can say that with the conviction that you do. I'd say that 98% of the pilots at NJA will say that if you ask them. How do you like that for a blanket statement? [/quote]


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[kman]

Its funny how everybody the original statement was comparing a wide body captain slot to NJ SIC, and everybody compares it to a regional FO on reserve? I was home 3-4 more days a month with more flexibility , over the 7n7. And I had the option of doing day trip lines and coming home every night, So what, why do you guys compare a crappy regional job and schd to a senior wide body job. Do you really think it is the same?

 

[imacdog]

So freaking leave then. Report back in 20 years when you finally have the lifestyle you are hoping for.

 

[skyward80]

There's a line winding out the door of people willing to take your seat.

Skyward80

 

[kman]

thats pretty dam$n funny. you guys make me laugh

 

[fischman]

Its funny how everybody the original statement was comparing a wide body captain slot to NJ SIC, and everybody compares it to a regional FO on reserve? I was home 3-4 more days a month with more flexibility , over the 7n7. And I had the option of doing day trip lines and coming home every night, So what, why do you guys compare a crappy regional job and schd to a senior wide body job. Do you really think it is the same?

I felt that in order to give you an accurate assesment was to give you the experiences I had. What is the point in comparing a widebody PIC to an NJA SIC? They are apples and oranges!

 

[kman]

And yet I never stated that it is the same. Thats my whole point. I really dont know how u could compare the two, expect for what I stated earlier.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

With a few notable exceptions, pilots are pilots wherever you go so don't assume that you are better than everyone else.......you are not.

I prefer to be one of the "notable exceptions".

And Im sorry, your logic is wrong. You take 100,000 pilots in the USA, that means 10,000 of them are idiots (10% of any group). Thats twice the size of our entire pilot workforce at NetJets. Get my point? Pilots are not all just pilots. They, like everyone else on this planet come with or with out baggage, flying skills, personal determination, education, attitudes.

NetJets may be a union group, but it still has enough individual mindset to recognize someone it DOESN'T want in our cockpits.

If you think I sound like someone who's arrogant and better than everyone else, you've obviously never spent anytime with a Navy fighter pilot! But I digress... I've earned my position and lot in life, it wasn't handed to me because I was cute and cuddly.

 

[av8tor4239]

Kman.. the comparison is the journey you have to take to get to the widebody PIC job vs. being a NJ SIC.... I would rather be a NJ SIC for ever than have to go through the hell of crawling up the SR list at a major, regional, cargo ect to become a widebody captain... If you want the shiny double breasted airline captain uniform.. GO GET IT.. I will take your spot on the list here and be content until i retire.. thank you have a great day!

 

[jpeace02]

two different conversations going on here! back to the original thread. Derinda told us they're hiring anywhere from 30-70% of the applicants. so don't be concerned about the 30-50% you've been seeing on here. that being said our interview class was all very qualified and i'd have a hard time picking out "thumbs down guys." also it can't be stated enough they're really hammering on this new "customer service" initiative. study the technical but really concern yourself with customer service situations you've been in and how you handeled it both good and bad. very pleasent expierence.

 

[kman]

Kman.. the comparison is the journey you have to take to get to the widebody PIC job vs. being a NJ SIC.... I would rather be a NJ SIC for ever than have to go through the hell of crawling up the SR list at a major, regional, cargo ect to become a widebody captain... If you want the shiny double breasted airline captain uniform.. GO GET IT.. I will take your spot on the list here and be content until i retire.. thank you have a great day!

Hey thats fine, I just disagree with your original statement of how a NJ SIC is a better job than a Widebody CA. If your original statement said something along the lines on I rather not go through what it takes to get there, I wouldn't have even typed a word in this thread, but u didn't. Enjoy the fancy new Loro Piana Coat and the upgrade. Have a great day.

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

Hey thats fine, I just disagree with your original statement of how a NJ SIC is a better job than a Widebody CA. If your original statement said something along the lines on I rather not go through what it takes to get there, I wouldn't have even typed a word in this thread, but u didn't. Enjoy the fancy new Loro Piana Coat and the upgrade. Have a great day.

Hey Kman, time to start your own thread man. You've hijacked this one long enough.

 

[Caveman]

1st Commandment of Aviation: Thou shalt never ever say anything remotely critical of NetJets or a plague of fractional locusts will descend upon thee.

I notice that most (not all) of the anti airline types have either not flown 121 or have only flown 121 regional. Just saying.....

While there are former major/legacy pilots at NJ my guess is the majority of NJ pilots were either out of work, just leaving the military, furloughed, flying for a regional, flying corporate or flying 135 charter. How many prior SWA, FedEx, UPS, AirTran, Frontier, JetBlue, DAL, NWA, UAL, CAL, Spirit or Alaska pilots are there at NJ? I'm not talking about retirees or guys that were furloughed at the time. How many former legacy/major airline guys leave that job to go to NJ? There are some, but not many. That should tell anybody with a lick of common sense those airline jobs aren't that bad. If they were we'd all be leaving in droves to go to NJ. The same can be said about NJ. Not many leave there to go to a major, but some do.

I get real tired of the holier than thou types at any good job that seem to think only they know what's best and how only they played the game right right and won. For the overwhelming majority of us it's luck. We paid our dues in various ways and then applied to the companies we think we would like to work for. Almost all of us took the first decent job offer that came our way. The smart ones realise that and stay grateful and humble. The rest pontificate about how smart they are and how the rest of us are "fat, lazy, unprofessional idiots".

If I were unemployed I would love to get a job at NJ. If I were unemployed and had job offers from a major and NJ which would I choose? I don't know. It's a tough call. I know I wouldn't leave my current major (JetBlue) to go there. I also doubt that I'd leave NJ to go to JetBlue either.

Congrats to those of you at NJ for landing an excellent job. I wouldn't be so quick to castigate the rest of us though. As shocking as it may sound some of us also work for good companies that treat us well and we enjoy our jobs. I know, I know. Blasphemy! All airlines suck! NJ is the only true job! All others are false gods! Blah, blah, blah........

BTW, the guy that claimed being a NJ SIC is better than being a legacy widebody CA is on crack. If he'd said he'd rather be a NJ CA than a major/legacy FO I might have agreed with him, but what he actually wrote was just plain stupid.