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[208starcheck]

If working in a union shop is so bad then why aren't you gone already?

Because it's bull$hit.

 

[ghostrider64]

Because it's bull$hit.

Exactly...and the reality is NJA is a pretty good gig. Despite this tool's whining, otherwise he and his ilk would have already left for shanghai...where I'm certain life is soooo much better.

 

[imacdog]

They can stay stateside as there seem to be a good number of G positions advertised in the corporate world lately......and yet, here they stay.

 

[G4dude]

If working in a union shop is so bad then why aren't you gone already?

NJA is still really good. The union behaves better than I expected, a lot better. The job security here is better than anywhere else, probably. The only problem I see in the future is if there is a strike down the road, which I do NOT expect. I enjoy this job a lot more than my friend Gutshotdraw does, for instance, who is a very good pilot and an all around good egg. I hope everyone here on this message board enjoys his/her job as much as I do.

 

[BentOver]

NJA is still really good. The union behaves better than I expected, a lot better. The job security here is better than anywhere else, probably. .

From everyone who supports NJASAP and would stand behind their brothers...your welcome...


For someone who's disliking of Unions has been notorious for the better part of 2 years. It sure seems that every thing you enjoy now.. IE Job security, pay, benefits, QOL on the road..... Is a direct result of being part of the Union.. Do you think your 401k, medical benefits, quality of hotels, quality of crew meals, pay, schedule, training days, would have remained intact if you weren't in a union?

If your pondering the answer I'll help you out. They wouldn't have remained the same.. Especially when Sokol took over..

BTW, if you do decide to take that $200K job, (which I sure hope you do), pray to god the company doesn't experience financial hardship. I assume your not that dense to not know what departments get hacked the quickest when things turn sour.

Good grief

 

[G4dude]

From everyone who supports NJASAP and would stand behind their brothers...your welcome...


For someone who's disliking of Unions has been notorious for the better part of 2 years. It sure seems that every thing you enjoy now.. IE Job security, pay, benefits, QOL on the road..... Is a direct result of being part of the Union.. Do you think your 401k, medical benefits, quality of hotels, quality of crew meals, pay, schedule, training days, would have remained intact if you weren't in a union?

If your pondering the answer I'll help you out. They wouldn't have remained the same.. Especially when Sokol took over..

BTW, if you do decide to take that $200K job, (which I sure hope you do), pray to god the company doesn't experience financial hardship. I assume your not that dense to not know what departments get hacked the quickest when things turn sour.

Good grief

Almost all the benefits you describe were better when NJI was non union. As to job security, the union does not provide ANY of that, the company does by being profitable. And you are right, the lack of security elsewhere is the main reason I have stayed so long. I have had 11 flight departments close their doors on me. Remember, the union didn't help you personally at all when the layoffs came. BTW, did you get a good job? I hope so.
One question: you mentioned "financial hardship". Do you believe the union would be able to stop more layoffs if NJA experiences more financial hardship? Of course not. This is not to slam the union, but an expression of reality. The investors (stockholders) will not keep excess pilots if they are not needed, union or no union.

 

[imacdog]

G4 why don't you do a little reading on what happened on 9/11/09, and the weeks surrounding that date. Then let us know whether the union contract provides some benefit.

 

[rajflyboy]

G4 is doing good work making sure many are organized and together and on the same side! and not G4's side!!!

 

[G4dude]

G4 why don't you do a little reading on what happened on 9/11/09, and the weeks surrounding that date. Then let us know whether the union contract provides some benefit.

What happened on 9/11/09?

 

[fischman]

What happened on 9/11/09?

Really??? Ok.

David Sokol ruthlessly let go of several hundred non-bargaining employees at random.

 

[G4dude]

Really??? Ok.

David Sokol ruthlessly let go of several hundred non-bargaining employees at random.

We lost 700 million dollars that year. What else was he supposed to do? And I was/am no fan of Sokol's.

 

[G4dude]

G4 is doing good work making sure many are organized and together and on the same side! and not G4's side!!!

That's my goal! By the way, I think an in house union like NJASAP or Southwest's is much better than a national union like the Teamsters.

 

[Pervis]

That's my goal! By the way, I think an in house union like NJASAP or Southwest's is much better than a national union like the Teamsters.

"Left full rudder, Mr. Christian"!

 

[imacdog]

Really??? Ok.

David Sokol ruthlessly let go of several hundred non-bargaining employees at random.

It's actually what he did with the employees that weren't let go that I would like ol' G4 to research.

 

[G4dude]

It's actually what he did with the employees that weren't let go that I would like ol' G4 to research.

What did he do?