Netjets Globals

[jetlag7]

You better believe it. We NJI types will be in a foot race to see who can cross the picket line first if you morons ever strike NJA. Proud to be a scab in training. I have found the hard core union guys to be lousy pilots and boring travel companions. Seeing y'all with your cute little signs in your cute little uniforms chanting slogans of class warfare will be hilarious. Remember, I didn't bring up this topic on this thread, you did.

GIV, for someone who is not well-liked on an ANONYMOUS message board, who flat-out rejects the concept of banding together with your fellow pilots for the advancement of eachother (i.e. a "union"), who seems to be having difficulty accepting the simple truth we are ONE group by repeatedly referring to the now non-existent NJI/NJA divide -- in other words, someone who doesn't play well with others -- you place an awful lot of faith in the idea that pilots on the GIV/GV fleets will gleefully follow you and your self-serving agenda.

Class warfare? Nice attempt at a re-direct, but you and I both know this is not the same thing. (Side note: I wouldn't exactly call it "cute" but what do you have against the uniform anyway?? )

As for your remark: "I have found the hard core union guys to be lousy pilots and boring travel companions" -- I'm sure an obvious SKY-GOD such as yourself is a joy to fly with as well.

Seriously, are we in the Third grade? Is that your argument? Did you figure pilots are "macho" so you would try to gain support by appealing to that particular personality trait? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound to those of us who actually fly for a living?

 

[ghostrider64]

NJA has lost 100+ a/c over the last 3 years... It has lost 15 since the beginning of summer... What rate can NJA expect to take deliveries of the Globals and Phenoms vs. the existing disposal rate of a/c currently approaching or past the 10 yr. old mark?

Management has missed their mark on sales every period since this all began. So whenever a management type comes in to recurrent (or starts some sales rumor) that they expect sales to shoot through the roof, expect the exact opposite...

You as many pilots consider winning based on total number of aircraft, thereby more pilots. I'm addressing financials, which clearly the cost/sale of a global far exceeds that of 5 or 6 SMALL jets.

So 3 fully sold globals, equates to 15 ultras.....on a profit basis.

Therefore it is a winner....

 

[Bored so Here]

You better believe it. We NJI types will be in a foot race to see who can cross the picket line first if you morons ever strike NJA. Proud to be a scab in training.

Scab away there, sunshine. Best of luck covering all those trips (I guess you can knock them out after you fly the G owner trips). History always remembers the Useful Idiots, I suppose. Also, I wouldn't count on unanimous participation from the GLC folks. There are plenty in that fleet that do have character.

 

[BentOver]

You as many pilots consider winning based on total number of aircraft, thereby more pilots. I'm addressing financials, which clearly the cost/sale of a global far exceeds that of 5 or 6 SMALL jets.

So 3 fully sold globals, equates to 15 ultras.....on a profit basis.

Therefore it is a winner....

That would depend on how much they are selling Global shares for vs. Ultra's... Also how much is the hourly fee, monthly fee, acquisition cost, operational cost to the company, so on and so on... I agree that a profitable company is what everyone needs.. But no pilot at NJA has the answers to those cost questions.. Sure there are pilots who think they do.. (On cue I'm sure someone will tell me they do in about 3 posts)

But on the flip side. The company could possibly be profitable with 50 planes..... Less maintenance, less overhead etc.. But do you really think that is good?

The company turning a profit is fine, but remember you see no part of that profit. So whether they make huge profits or minimal profits, you would still keep your job but reap no rewards. But a smaller company does guarantee 1 thing. Less jobs, less seniority for you and a negative work environment.

The Global may prove to be a winner, but IMO selling 1-2 Globals and maybe 3 Phenoms (and most likely just owners switching a/c) after a whole year of being announced isn't exactly like saying they are lining up at the door to purchase....

Bottom line I believe NJA will continue to shrink.... There are roughly 250-300 Citations, Hawkers, Gulfstreams that will most likely be disposed of... Thats alot of Phenoms and Globals and Challengers to try to make up the difference... History has proven that all orders are generally not exercised. And NJE is getting some of those orders....

 

[johnsonrod]

Here's a great picture of the Global 6000 cockpit:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Bomb...86812/L/&sid=7229551e26745453d0be554403515e94

Very impressive! Makes the G550 cockpit look archaic... :laugh:

 

[G4dude]

That would depend on how much they are selling Global shares for vs. Ultra's... Also how much is the hourly fee, monthly fee, acquisition cost, operational cost to the company, so on and so on... I agree that a profitable company is what everyone needs.. But no pilot at NJA has the answers to those cost questions.. Sure there are pilots who think they do.. (On cue I'm sure someone will tell me they do in about 3 posts)

But on the flip side. The company could possibly be profitable with 50 planes..... Less maintenance, less overhead etc.. But do you really think that is good?

The company turning a profit is fine, but remember you see no part of that profit. So whether they make huge profits or minimal profits, you would still keep your job but reap no rewards. But a smaller company does guarantee 1 thing. Less jobs, less seniority for you and a negative work environment.

The Global may prove to be a winner, but IMO selling 1-2 Globals and maybe 3 Phenoms (and most likely just owners switching a/c) after a whole year of being announced isn't exactly like saying they are lining up at the door to purchase....

Bottom line I believe NJA will continue to shrink.... There are roughly 250-300 Citations, Hawkers, Gulfstreams that will most likely be disposed of... Thats alot of Phenoms and Globals and Challengers to try to make up the difference... History has proven that all orders are generally not exercised. And NJE is getting some of those orders....

Correct, as long as we acknowledge the shrinkage is due to the economy. I think the fractional model is strong and NJA is as solid as it can be during these worrisome times.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

You better believe it. We NJI types will be in a foot race to see who can cross the picket line first if you morons ever strike NJA. Proud to be a scab in training. I have found the hard core union guys to be lousy pilots and boring travel companions. Seeing y'all with your cute little signs in your cute little uniforms chanting slogans of class warfare will be hilarious. Remember, I didn't bring up this topic on this thread, you did.

G,
Do us a favor, post this drabble on a non-anonymous board, so all know who the individual is that is making these asinine comments. Otherwise, always be known as a coward who hides behind a pseudonym and makes foolish statements that could jeopardize not only his future, but those who work beside him.
Your choice, Bubba. Put up or shut up.

 

[imacdog]

Like that'll happen!

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Like that'll happen!

Sadly, I think you are right. I was hoping he would have bigger stones than most here would ever give him credit for.............I guess I was mistaken.

 

[fischman]

Ha! I'll drop $100 to the NJFF if he does.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

I may double that, Fischman.... I do not think he has the stones to out himself.

 

[G4dude]

I may double that, Fischman.... I do not think he has the stones to out himself.

If I told you who I am, what would you do?

 

[G4dude]

It would take guts to disclose my name, but it would NOT take guts to disclose my name if I were pro union. Ever wonder why it takes courage to disclose that you are anti union?

 

[CALRepublic]

I may double that, Fischman.... I do not think he has the stones to out himself.

I'm sorry but that is BS, he is anti-union and you guys dare him to disclose himself??

That attitude says A LOT MORE about you guys than it does about him

 

[fischman]

If I told you who I am, what would you do?

I would donate $100 to the NJFF. Something tells me my money is safe.