Netjets Globals

[G4dude]

That would depend on how much they are selling Global shares for vs. Ultra's... Also how much is the hourly fee, monthly fee, acquisition cost, operational cost to the company, so on and so on... I agree that a profitable company is what everyone needs.. But no pilot at NJA has the answers to those cost questions.. Sure there are pilots who think they do.. (On cue I'm sure someone will tell me they do in about 3 posts)

But on the flip side. The company could possibly be profitable with 50 planes..... Less maintenance, less overhead etc.. But do you really think that is good?

The company turning a profit is fine, but remember you see no part of that profit. So whether they make huge profits or minimal profits, you would still keep your job but reap no rewards. But a smaller company does guarantee 1 thing. Less jobs, less seniority for you and a negative work environment.

The Global may prove to be a winner, but IMO selling 1-2 Globals and maybe 3 Phenoms (and most likely just owners switching a/c) after a whole year of being announced isn't exactly like saying they are lining up at the door to purchase....

Bottom line I believe NJA will continue to shrink.... There are roughly 250-300 Citations, Hawkers, Gulfstreams that will most likely be disposed of... Thats alot of Phenoms and Globals and Challengers to try to make up the difference... History has proven that all orders are generally not exercised. And NJE is getting some of those orders....

Correct, as long as we acknowledge the shrinkage is due to the economy. I think the fractional model is strong and NJA is as solid as it can be during these worrisome times.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

You better believe it. We NJI types will be in a foot race to see who can cross the picket line first if you morons ever strike NJA. Proud to be a scab in training. I have found the hard core union guys to be lousy pilots and boring travel companions. Seeing y'all with your cute little signs in your cute little uniforms chanting slogans of class warfare will be hilarious. Remember, I didn't bring up this topic on this thread, you did.

G,
Do us a favor, post this drabble on a non-anonymous board, so all know who the individual is that is making these asinine comments. Otherwise, always be known as a coward who hides behind a pseudonym and makes foolish statements that could jeopardize not only his future, but those who work beside him.
Your choice, Bubba. Put up or shut up.

 

[imacdog]

Like that'll happen!

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Like that'll happen!

Sadly, I think you are right. I was hoping he would have bigger stones than most here would ever give him credit for.............I guess I was mistaken.

 

[fischman]

Ha! I'll drop $100 to the NJFF if he does.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

I may double that, Fischman.... I do not think he has the stones to out himself.

 

[G4dude]

I may double that, Fischman.... I do not think he has the stones to out himself.

If I told you who I am, what would you do?

 

[G4dude]

It would take guts to disclose my name, but it would NOT take guts to disclose my name if I were pro union. Ever wonder why it takes courage to disclose that you are anti union?

 

[CALRepublic]

I may double that, Fischman.... I do not think he has the stones to out himself.

I'm sorry but that is BS, he is anti-union and you guys dare him to disclose himself??

That attitude says A LOT MORE about you guys than it does about him

 

[fischman]

If I told you who I am, what would you do?

I would donate $100 to the NJFF. Something tells me my money is safe.

 

[Pervis]

If I told you who I am, what would you do?

Do you think you would stay anonymous if you crossed the line?

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

If I told you who I am, what would you do?

I would look you square in the eye and see if you were truly only a cowardly blowhard or a souless individual who is willing to sell himself out and affect my colleagues and my children's well being. I give my heart and soul to this union every day, and I want to know who those that wears the same uniform as I that would be willing to turn their back on me, and 2600 other families to prove a point. I want to know so if you indeed cross a line, I would never consider you a brother, a colleague, or a human being. I want to know so if I walk into the same building as you, if you ever crossed a line, I would leave as not to demean myself and sink to your level.

That is what I would do.

Again, its your call. Put up or shut up.

 

[rajflyboy]

Why even worry what a G series guy thinks? If he actually is a g guy. They only have about 5 percent of the vote on a new contract. They are entirely meaningless in the negotiations that are upcoming.

 

[G4dude]

Do you think you would stay anonymous if you crossed the line?

No, good point. I hope to delay that disclosure until I have to by crossing that line, and fervently hope a strike never happens. I know the union hard liners have the numbers, but there are probably 200 like me on the former NJI side. I think.

 

[G4dude]

I would look you square in the eye and see if you were truly only a cowardly blowhard or a souless individual who is willing to sell himself out and affect my colleagues and my children's well being. I give my heart and soul to this union every day, and I want to know who those that wears the same uniform as I that would be willing to turn their back on me, and 2600 other families to prove a point. I want to know so if you indeed cross a line, I would never consider you a brother, a colleague, or a human being. I want to know so if I walk into the same building as you, if you ever crossed a line, I would leave as not to demean myself and sink to your level.

That is what I would do.

Again, its your call. Put up or shut up.

That would really really really hurt my wittle feewins. I would be a colleague unwilling to jeopardize the existence of your employer, for which you would thank me, if you had any common sense. The Hostess situation comes to mind. And Eastern Airlines. And Citationair.
You would really not consider me a HUMAN BEING if I don't agree with you about a strike? I would still think of you as a human being if you don't agree with me. What utterly bizarre people you Union crazies are.

 

[G4dude]

Why even worry what a G series guy thinks? If he actually is a g guy. They only have about 5 percent of the vote on a new contract. They are entirely meaningless in the negotiations that are upcoming.

Exactly right. We would have no impact. Not enough of us. By the way, are we going for more money and benefits in this next contract? If we negotiated an average salary of 300000, would that be something to celebrate? How about 400000?

 

[G4dude]

I would look you square in the eye and see if you were truly only a cowardly blowhard or a souless individual who is willing to sell himself out and affect my colleagues and my children's well being. I give my heart and soul to this union every day, and I want to know who those that wears the same uniform as I that would be willing to turn their back on me, and 2600 other families to prove a point. I want to know so if you indeed cross a line, I would never consider you a brother, a colleague, or a human being. I want to know so if I walk into the same building as you, if you ever crossed a line, I would leave as not to demean myself and sink to your level.

That is what I would do.

Again, its your call. Put up or shut up.

Your strike would DEFINITELY affect the welfare of my family by threatening the continued existence of my employer which I hope will stay profitable for the next 10 to 15 years. Yet I would still consider you a colleague and a human being. Also, I have never been anybody's brother. I do have a sister though. I am NOT looking for any more sisters either.

 

[Semore Butts]

G4' you know what you need to do?

You need to go and fill out the union survey so your opinion is noted. So should the other 200 guys that you say are gonna cross should there be a strike.
Your posting here, have no affect to your cause.
If you guys (this "200") want to send a message about how you feel then the survey is the way to do it.
Your accusations rendered on this board are meaningless and only indicate (if I may) that your " Alligator mouth" is backed up by a "Hummingbird a$$".
We do agree on one thing for certain, neither you nor I wanted you to be here.
Had you not been accepted into the union you would have been phased out with the Gulfstreams I guess? (wish you would have got your way)

 

[G4dude]

You need to go and fill out the union survey so your opinion is noted. So should the other 200 guys that you say are gonna cross should there be a strike.
Your posting here, have no affect to your cause.
If you guys (this "200") want to send a message about how you feel then the survey is the way to do it.
Your accusations rendered on this board are meaningless and only indicate (if I may) that your " Alligator mouth" is backed up by a "Hummingbird a$$".
We do agree on one thing for certain, neither you nor I wanted you to be here.
Had you not been accepted into the union you would have been phased out with the Gulfstreams I guess? (wish you would have got your way)

I am not fulminating against the Union per se. We were just discussing what would happen if there ever was a strike. A lot of us would scab. Not enough to save the company or foil the Union, but we would do our best to keep the company flying. The union, sans Luthi the Ludicrous, seems to be a rather rational outfit so far.
We would NOT try to find out your names so we could intimidate and ostracize you and put you on some kind of list. We wouldn't poison your dog or call your house to scare your families or anything like that because you toe the Union line, yet we would be in danger of all those things if we don't agree with you, if we don't toe the line.
People like me care about our fellow pilots just as much as you do. We just don't agree with you that a union and the associated groupthink is the way to go. We tend to believe in the free market and individual bargaining rather than collective bargaining.
We have told the union how we feel. but as you say, we don't have the numbers. No sweat, we just fly our trips and enjoy the job and hope y'all never strike. And are forever grateful for this marvelous company which took me 22 years of poverty and stress to find.

 

[fischman]

Your strike would DEFINITELY affect the welfare of my family by threatening the continued existence of my employer which I hope will stay profitable for the next 10 to 15 years. Yet I would still consider you a colleague and a human being. Also, I have never been anybody's brother. I do have a sister though. I am NOT looking for any more sisters either.

I'm sure your sister would like to know this.