Netjets Globals

[dicko]

Interesting. Thanks for taking the time to reply

 

[gutshotdraw]

I'm curious - it seems that the Global 8000 has an endurance of nearly 16 hours. I understand that there's only one crew rest seat on the aircraft. How would crew rest work on a flight that makes full use of the jets range ?

An example would be an owner that wants to fly nonstop from Houston to Sydney.

The Global 8000 is currently a bunch of 1's and 0's in a computer. They have yet to cut a single piece of metal on it or the 7000. So we'll see about the performance claims when the thing actually flies.

Nevertheless, Pervis is correct that the aircraft is supposed to have a crew storage bin that will accomodate two pilots at the same time.

As to SCT's question, a mechanic working on a broken Global parked in front of my rescue airplane several weeks back told me, in his opinion, the airplane is "fragile." Same day, our passenger told my partner he was reasonably happy with it so far but said some of the trips on it had been a little "shaky."

We've also had more than a handful of trips tubed because of issues unrelated to the airframe.

Most of the FA's HATE the galley. No storage space. Crew tripping over each other during flight prep and shutdown.

On the whole, I'd say a mixed result so far.

 

[jetlag7]

Flew a couple of Global customers this week and casually inquired how they were enjoying it so far.....

They responded "we like the plane, but we miss our GV....."

 

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The Global 8000 is currently a bunch of 1's and 0's in a computer. They have yet to cut a single piece of metal on it or the 7000. So we'll see about the performance claims when the thing actually flies.

Nevertheless, Pervis is correct that the aircraft is supposed to have a crew storage bin that will accomodate two pilots at the same time.

As to SCT's question, a mechanic working on a broken Global parked in front of my rescue airplane several weeks back told me, in his opinion, the airplane is "fragile." Same day, our passenger told my partner he was reasonably happy with it so far but said some of the trips on it had been a little "shaky."

We've also had more than a handful of trips tubed because of issues unrelated to the airframe.

Most of the FA's HATE the galley. No storage space. Crew tripping over each other during flight prep and shutdown.

On the whole, I'd say a mixed result so far.

Gut, I hope you realize how consistently biased and unreasonable you are with your hate of all things Global. It's a very good and reliable airplane, and it's not fragile by any standard. By the way, both Gulftreams and Globals are available with forward or aft galley configurations. It's up to the operator to choose what they prefer, and there are certainly advantages and disadvantages to both. If I were being selfish, I'd prefer the aft galley to keep the pre and post flight tripping over each other to a minimum, but operationally and considering pax comfort, I would say the forward galley is a far better setup. Again, I don't know how Netjets specs their planes, but the 6000 galley is much larger than a G550's. Maybe your FAs are used to aft galleys, and they utilize the baggage area for additional storage?

My boss just informed me we MAY be trading our XRS for a brand new G550 within the month. No one on our crew is exited about the idea, but it will be new, and it will get the job done until the 7000 comes in 2017. I'll let you know if I see the G-light. My initial impression is the avionics certainly look great, but the cockpit size does NOT!

 

[gutshotdraw]

Global vs Gulfstream

Gut, I hope you realize how consistently biased and unreasonable you are with your hate of all things Global.

I don't "hate" the Global. Just my experience that the Global is better in a few areas but overall, the 550 and certainly the 650 are better airplanes for our mission.

It's a very good and reliable airplane, and it's not fragile by any standard.

You haven't seen our Global interiors. They LOOK really nice but were designed to be lighter and cheaper to build. So far, feedback is the doors, tables, cabinets, etc. break easily.

By the way, both Gulftreams and Globals are available with forward or aft galley configurations.

I know. I have flown a IV and a 550 with forward galleys. Hated that too. It's great on a long haul because you can leave the passengers alone. But when your average stage length is 2.0, it's a pain.

It's up to the operator to choose what they prefer, and there are certainly advantages and disadvantages to both. If I were being selfish, I'd prefer the aft galley to keep the pre and post flight tripping over each other to a minimum, but operationally and considering pax comfort, I would say the forward galley is a far better setup. Again, I don't know how Netjets specs their planes, but the 6000 galley is much larger than a G550's.

According to my FA friends, they REALLY prefer the 550 galley. Not my "hate." Theirs.


Maybe your FAs are used to aft galleys, and they utilize the baggage area for additional storage?

Yep. As does every aft galley Gulfstream operator.

My boss just informed me we MAY be trading our XRS for a brand new G550 within the month. No one on our crew is exited So nobody has quit over it yet? about the idea, but it will be new, and it will get the job done until the 7000 comes in 2017. I'll let you know if I see the G-light. My initial impression is the avionics certainly look great, but the cockpit size doesn't.

No argument here. The Global cockpit is hands down more comfortable.

Fly it for a year. Let me know what you think. You wouldn't be the first to switch. Or switch back. I know we probably never will switch back. Our management is loathe to EVER admit a mistake.

In the meantime, take some notes now on how the XRS performs. Real numbers. Time to climb at certain weights, city pair flight times, dispatch reliability, etc. Then, if you get the 550, compare the numbers apples to apples.

The Global is a passenger's airplane (except for those TINY bloody windows). The Gulfstream is a pilot's airplane.

Since, in your case, it's up to the folks in back, it doesn't really matter what us trained monkeys think anyway.

 

[Pervis]

When Gulfstream refused to budge on their rediculous retail price for their largest customer, the decision was made. Similar capabilities for $10+ million cheaper is a no brainer, and regardless of Gulfstream's back log, there's a new large cabin player in town. Does anyone think Bombardier won't adjust their design to accomodate the Fractional model?

 

[gutshotdraw]

When Gulfstream refused to budge on their rediculous retail price for their largest customer, the decision was made. Similar capabilities for $10+ million cheaper is a no brainer, and regardless of Gulfstream's back log, there's a new large cabin player in town. Does anyone think Bombardier won't adjust their design to accomodate the Fractional model?

Pervis is absolutely correct. Despite claims to the contrary, Uncle Warren and Darth Sokol's decision to go with Bombardier had NOTHING to do with customer input and EVERYTHING to do with DOLLARS and CENTS.

Now, let's talk about something REALLY fun. Like the displacements and those that will fly the new iron....

Or, not.

 

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Fly it for a year. Let me know what you think. You wouldn't be the first to switch. Or switch back. I know we probably never will switch back. Our management is loathe to EVER admit a mistake.

In the meantime, take some notes now on how the XRS performs. Real numbers. Time to climb at certain weights, city pair flight times, dispatch reliability, etc. Then, if you get the 550, compare the numbers apples to apples.

The Global is a passenger's airplane (except for those TINY bloody windows). The Gulfstream is a pilot's airplane.

Since, in your case, it's up to the folks in back, it doesn't really matter what us trained monkeys think anyway.

No doubt about it. All I care about is keeping the folks in the back happy. If the boss wants a new G550, I'll just consider myself very lucky, and I certainly won't complain. I guess that's my point though. GLEX vs G; who really cares? They're both very capable machines, and each has certain advantages over the other. Sometimes I get the idea you're rooting for the Globals to fail because you love your G. If you are, I believe you may be disappointed. It honestly is a very good airplane.

I'm hopeful that Netjet's large orders with Bombardier will give them enough influence to improve the caliber of Bombardiers customer service and their willingness to stand behind their product. In my opinion, that is still Bombardiers weakness not the airplanes themselves.

 

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[gutshotdraw]

No doubt about it. All I care about is keeping the folks in the back happy. If the boss wants a new G550, I'll just consider myself very lucky, and I certainly won't complain. I guess that's my point though. GLEX vs G; who really cares? They're both very capable machines, and each has certain advantages over the other. Sometimes I get the idea you're rooting for the Globals to fail because you love your G. If you are, I believe you may be disappointed. It honestly is a very good airplane.

I'm hopeful that Netjet's large orders with Bombardier will give them enough influence to improve the caliber of Bombardiers customer service and their willingness to stand behind their product. In my opinion, that is still Bombardiers weakness not the airplanes themselves.

Naw, I'm not rooting against the program. If the program fails, the company is in some serious trouble.

I do love the G's because I've been flying them for 21 years but I'm also a realist and quite prepared to go fly the CL 350 when the time comes. Now the 605? Here piggy piggy....