Netjets Globals

[Pervis]

Those trips have no bearing on whether another crew member is brought off furlough. The airplanes are already properly staffed.

Wrong on both counts. Unfamiliarity with the contract is far more myopic than understanding the leverage crews have to facilitate recall and force company to staff at more reasonable levels. Currently, recalls are required if we involve vendors more than so many days in a given quarter. Extending allows company to avoid that. Additionally, the contractual "minimum" of 5 pilots per airframe is considerably lower than any other large carrier and is unrealistic, especially for the GLC and Global programs. Extending allows the EMT to keep staffing levels low.

While some would consider this an attempt to harm the company, they could not be more mistaken. If we gain a level of mutual respect and are treated as an asset rather than a liability, we will go way beyond any expectation to perform. That is not the current environment we live in, and it will only get worse before it gets better. Just ask the flight attendants.

 

[X-rated]

I stand corrected. Maybe not extending in those circumstances will actually help you get crews back per the contract, but it has no bearing on actually needing those crews. I never was any good at playing politics. If you say it's in everybody's best interest to stick it to the company, so you can stick it to the company, I'll take your word for it.

In my simple and naive way of thinking, I'd say keep the staffing appropriate so the company can be competitive and grow thereby allowing pilots to be recalled. Maybe your way is more expeditious.

 

[Pervis]

X, the company claims we are still overstaffed because of the minimal requirement in the CBA. Ask any goofy blue tie guy how much we are being worked. And this is the slow season?

I am not suggesting sticking it to anyone. However, considering our limitations imposed by the RLA, the only leverage we have at this time is to adhere as strictly to the contract as we can. If the very language they agreed upon forces a more equitable position for us at the bargaining table, so be it.

The EMT is pushing the limits of the CBA to their advantage every chance they get, at our expense, including changing long distance airline policy, placing crews in 6 hour limo rides, reducing quality of crew food in their quest to "save money", and many other areas. Who is trying to stick it to whom?

 

[X-rated]

Fair enough. There are two sides to every issue, and your points and your explanations are valid. It's unfortunate that everything needs to be so contentious. Like I said, I don't do well in large companies because I can't make myself play the game. In my current job, we as a crew simply try our best to save the boss as much money as possible while ensuring the highest maintenance, operating and luxury standards. He rewards us extremely well for our efforts. Too bad it gets so much more complicated when flight departments get larger. I'll be the first to admit I simply don't understand it, but it seems to me everybody loses in the process. Thanks for the cordial education.

 

[OPECJet]

The company has options at its disposal to mitigate the extended days in the G fleet. They have chosen not to.

I think you'll find few furloughed guys who appreciate the 18 day schedule holders. Doesn't show much unity whether or not pilots jumping off would cause recalls. Just like accepting open time at an airline with furloughs.

 

[X-rated]

The company has options at its disposal to mitigate the extended days in the G fleet. They have chosen not to.

I thought I would drop out of this part of the conversation, but I'm actually really curious what they are? Can you elaborate?

 

[imacdog]

Another thought on the 18 day Gut. If everyone did jump off, that would do nothing but make company jump with glee. The money saved and reduction from up to 6 to 4 airlines per month would make them even happier. It might, although I really doubt it, change the staffing requirements. As it is, we could and should bring back all furloughed pilots and we'd still be short staffed. And this is the slow season?

The productivity gains outweigh the cost of the airline rides. If the 18-day was such a bad deal for the company then they would not have agreed to it in the IBB talks.

 

[OPECJet]

I thought I would drop out of this part of the conversation, but I'm actually really curious what they are? Can you elaborate?

I can't. Don't have the details, but I recall NJASAP stating they approached the company to give them some relief on the subject and the company declined. Seems they'd rather negotiate that aspect with individual pilots rather than the entire pilot group.

I have no problem with the company needing and gaining the ability to keep guys on the road longer than 7 days when operationally or financially beneficial. It's preferable however to gain that flexibility through NJASAP rather than individual pilots.

 

[be99fr8dog]

I thought I would drop out of this part of the conversation, but I'm actually really curious what they are? Can you elaborate?

No negotiations needed. It's already in the CBA. The company just does not feel the need to use it. Works much better to just take care of the A-teamers.

19.9 International Flight Program (?IFP?) 19.9(A) General
A crewmember may elect to participate in the IFP as set forth in this subsection 19.9. The IFP will permit the Company to modify the published or anticipated work schedule of an IFP crewmember in order to create an IFP tour consisting of a minimum of eight (8) and maximum of ten (10) consecutive Company required work days, provided (1) the Company has received a request for at least one (1) international flight, as defined in subsection 19.9(A)(1); and (2) considering travel duty and known and possible flight duty, it is anticipated (based on customer request) that the IFP crewmember will spend at least five (5) consecutive days outside of CONUS.
19.9(A)(1) International Flying
For purposes of this subsection 19.9, international flying is defined as flying where at least one segment originates or terminates outside CONUS.
19.9(B) IFP Positions
The Company may post bids for positions in the IFP by fleet and duty position. Crewmembers may bid and be awarded IFP positions within their fleet and duty positions on the basis of seniority. A crewmember who receives an IFP position award will remain in the IFP for a period of one (1) year; provided, a crewmember who is awarded a position in a different fleet or duty position will be removed from the IFP.
19.9(C) IFP Training
Crewmembers in the IFP will receive adequate and standardized training equal to or greater than the international training the Company provides to other crewmembers. Training, if not previously accomplished, will commence within ninety (90) calendar days from the date of the IFP bid award, unless the training is delayed for reasons outside the control of the Company.
19.9(D) IFP Tours 19.9(D)(1) Posting
The Company will post IFP tours as soon as practicable. An IFP posting will include the dates of the IFP tour and a crewmember response deadline, which will be no less than forty-eight (48) hours prior to the first day of the IFP tour. An IFP crewmember may bid the posted IFP tour via the Company Issued Communication Device or other Company- designated response method.

 

[gutshotdraw]

No negotiations needed. It's already in the CBA. The company just does not feel the need to use it. Works much better to just take care of the A-teamers.

19.9 International Flight Program (?IFP?)

If you believe Section 19 is at all practical to the way our international trips operate, maybe you should bid the Global to find out what really goes on.