Netjets Globals

[Pervis]

Are there still guys sitting at home or waiting on training? There's the answer.

No. Phenom program has absorbed remaining displaced crews.

 

[OPECJet]

No. Phenom program has absorbed remaining displaced crews.

Sounds like its time to recall a few then. Unless of course the guys still out there can handle the abuse. A friend in the Excel told me he had 3 straight 10 hour turns. Number 3 required the F word. That's just not sustainable.

 

[BentOver]

Go to the FAA.GOV website and find Netjets. It'll tell how many a/c they have.

Multiply that by 6.xxx... When that number gets up to whatever the senior furlough is there should be recalls...

Last time I checked, NJA was below 400 a/c... I always figure about 420 a/c should start recalls.... But don't forget to factor in disposals and the rate they could possibly take deliveries

 

[Pervis]

Sounds like its time to recall a few then. Unless of course the guys still out there can handle the abuse. A friend in the Excel told me he had 3 straight 10 hour turns. Number 3 required the F word. That's just not sustainable.

Agreed. Even with two vacation periods from Jan-May I logged 220 hrs in the X. Lots more transcons of late. More leisure travel as well.

 

[OPECJet]

Sounds like it is coming back. I think I flew a little south of 500 my first year in the X when we were busy as crap.

 

[BentOver]

Sounds like it is coming back. I think I flew a little south of 500 my first year in the X when we were busy as crap.

Only caveat is that in 2007 we all flew that much with 500 a/c.. Today it's being done with 400 a/c

 

[OPECJet]

Only caveat is that in 2007 we all flew that much with 500 a/c.. Today it's being done with 400 a/c

Absolutely. Just looking at what a single pilot has done this year as opposed to 2007 / 08. No doubt flying is still down, but it sounds like it's coming out of the cellar.

 

[imacdog]

Only caveat is that in 2007 we all flew that much with 500 a/c.. Today it's being done with 400 a/c

That's true but if that level of activity is across the board for everyone working there then more pilots (recalls) may be needed if flight demand continues to increase.

 

[gutshotdraw]

That's true but if that level of activity is across the board for everyone working there then more pilots (recalls) may be needed if flight demand continues to increase.

That would convey weakness in the EMT's bargaining position.

So don't hold your breath.

Besides, when the wheels DO come off the wagon with the new training float, minor attrition, anal glaucoma, etc. it will enhance OUR bargaining position.

The sooner the contract is done, the sooner the recalls will start.

 

[imacdog]

Agreed that the company won't recall until the contract is done.

But don't confuse that for me wanting the contract done sooner rather than later. I want to see the contract done right, no matter how long that takes. Stand Strong.

 

[jetlag7]

Recalls will happen regardless of the status of a successor agreement to our contract.

The two events have NOTHING to do with one another.

The company will start recalls when the need arises. (which I now believe will happen much sooner than originally forecast)

A successor agreement will be ratified when the pilot group is presented a reasonable offer. (which I believe will take many years from now considering the absurd and out of touch "bargaining goals" the company presented to pilot negotiators last month)

 

[fly4funcrj]

The company will probably claim some sort of job action when the wheels come off. They are so shortsighted and couldn't possible blame themselves.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Recalls will happen regardless of the status of a successor agreement to our contract.

The two events have NOTHING to do with one another.

The company will start recalls when the need arises. (which I now believe will happen much sooner than originally forecast)

A successor agreement will be ratified when the pilot group is presented a reasonable offer. (which I believe will take many years from now considering the absurd and out of touch "bargaining goals" the company presented to pilot negotiators last month)

I disagree. Recalling furloughed pilots removes a threat from their tool kit. In my opinion, they will do ANYTHING to avoid recalls while negotiations are ongoing. It's one of the reasons they "hope" for a quick resolution.

The need for recalls is already becoming evident and yet they still claim recalls are at least two years out. That is NOT a coincidence.

Other than that, I agree there will not be an agreement until a LEGITIMATE proposal is presented. And absurd is a pretty good word for their "framework."

 

[jetlag7]

I disagree. Recalling furloughed pilots removes a threat from their tool kit. In my opinion, they will do ANYTHING to avoid recalls while negotiations are ongoing. It's one of the reasons they "hope" for a quick resolution.

The need for recalls is already becoming evident and yet they still claim recalls are at least two years out. That is NOT a coincidence.

Other than that, I agree there will not be an agreement until a LEGITIMATE proposal is presented. And absurd is a pretty good word for their "framework."

I'll meet ya' half-way....

I agree they have a strong incentive not to initiate recalls while negotiations are ongoing - as you mentioned, it weakens their bargaining position.

However, if they continue to drive this bus closer to the breaking point, and stretch staffing beyond sustainable limits, something is going to give.

Judging by the boiling animus that is cementing our resolve into the reality that we won't settle for anything less than significant contractual gains, my guess is they'll snap before we do.

 

[gutshotdraw]

I'll meet ya' half-way....

I agree they have a strong incentive not to initiate recalls while negotiations are ongoing - as you mentioned, it weakens their bargaining position.

However, if they continue to drive this bus closer to the breaking point, and stretch staffing beyond sustainable limits, something is going to give.

Judging by the boiling animus that is cementing our resolve into the reality that we won't settle for anything less than significant contractual gains, my guess is they'll snap before we do.

Fair enough.

Have you ever been driving behind a car with a warped rim and the tire is wobbling so bad you fear the poor schmuck is going off the road any second?

There ya go...

 

[Ultra Grump]

Actually, I can recall at least one very specific instance where the company asked NJASAP for relief. It was for an around-the-world trip the owner (a valuable owner with big shares in big airplanes) had done with same crew, every year, for a decade.

The union told the company to pound sand and it cost the owner an extra $75,000 in crew swaps. So your theory doesn't hold water.

But what do I know? I'm just an A-Teamer.

By the way, we call it Bubba Club.

If the owner was that important, the company could have sucked up that $75k and aside from a couple new faces mid-trip, the owner wouldn't have known the difference.

 

[Rubber Ducky]

The "Bubba Club" has hit 500 pilots, spouses and children like a "Billy Club". But if that makes you feel good about yourselves...

 

[acaTerry]

And if you want to talk brotherhood and solidarity, take a look at a seniority/schedule list of who is on the 18 day schedule. THOSE are the people you should be talking to. If they started bidding off the 18 day, en masse, even at only 10% per bid period the current staffing shortage would become critical. Fast.

Don't lump us all in the same group. I bid the 18 day because I must. I'm holding up my family, my parents in law, and doing my best to pay off debt from many years of being a CFI (back in the $8/hr days), sh1t wages and 2 moves for 3 airlines, two of which no longer exist, and a defunct corporate flight dept.
I'd happily work less if I could afford it.

 

[OPECJet]

Sorta sounds like 495 of us doing similar with a lot less income than any current NJA pilot.

Not all furloughed guys are in financial hardship, but many are. Quite a few are over in the sandbox right now to avoid it. I'm sure your situation requires the extra work days and I'm sure you'd rather have the extra time off, but I don't think you're going to gain much sympathy from the guys on the street.

 

[RJ Bum]

Don't lump us all in the same group. I bid the 18 day because I must. I'm holding up my family, my parents in law, and doing my best to pay off debt from many years of being a CFI (back in the $8/hr days), sh1t wages and 2 moves for 3 airlines, two of which no longer exist, and a defunct corporate flight dept.
I'd happily work less if I could afford it.

Says the guy not furloughed... you would have a different perspective trying to do that while starting over again in china, india or the box, or if youre lucky in the states in a RJ or flying for some ******************** supp carrier... You and a lot of others that are on the 18 day and those picking up extended days need to have a slice of humble pie...