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[imacdog]

Don't lump us all in the same group. I bid the 18 day because I must. I'm holding up my family, my parents in law, and doing my best to pay off debt from many years of being a CFI (back in the $8/hr days), sh1t wages and 2 moves for 3 airlines, two of which no longer exist, and a defunct corporate flight dept.
I'd happily work less if I could afford it.

I guess it's really a good thing then, that none of the 495 have families to support, were furloughed at previous companies, or have debt to pay off. So really there's no need for union solidarity in this matter.

 

[G4dude]

I guess it's really a good thing then, that none of the 495 have families to support, were furloughed at previous companies, or have debt to pay off. So really there's no need for union solidarity in this matter.

What about union members who don't agree with the union? Should your opinion be the only one allowed? Just askin.

 

[OPECJet]

What about union members who don't agree with the union? Should your opinion be the only one allowed? Just askin.

What does this question have to do with the price of tea in China?

 

[filejw]

Says the guy not furloughed... you would have a different perspective trying to do that while starting over again in china, india or the box, or if youre lucky in the states in a RJ or flying for some ******************** supp carrier... You and a lot of others that are on the 18 day and those picking up extended days need to have a slice of humble pie...

What people forget is when taking a job you figure what it pays and can you make ends meet or some other goal. So now they have to figure in -X$ to account for other peoples layoffs and bad times in this industry by the way is pretty much always. Socialism at its best.

 

[billybob]

I'm not trying to start anything but I always looked at our pay with the 7&7 as a base pay and others 15/18 day as OT.

 

[hopalong]

We are working our BUTTS OFF!!! We desperately need our furloughed brethren back!
I don't want to give anyone false hope but I bet before the ink dries in our new contract, that the company will be calling the furloughs back.

If they called them back now, it would hurt their leverage, and isn't it funny how the company states that they want this contract done quickly???? I wonder why??? It is because they know we are short staffed!!!

 

[FLYLOW22]

We are working our BUTTS OFF!!! We desperately need our furloughed brethren back!
I don't want to give anyone false hope but I bet before the ink dries in our new contract, that the company will be calling the furloughs back.

If they called them back now, it would hurt their leverage, and isn't it funny how the company states that they want this contract done quickly???? I wonder why??? It is because they know we are short staffed!!!

No.

It's hurting their ability to honor existing commitments.

Fly till you cannot, then reschesdule yourself to a hotel room for 14 hours.

 

[OPECJet]

We are working our BUTTS OFF!!! We desperately need our furloughed brethren back!
I don't want to give anyone false hope but I bet before the ink dries in our new contract, that the company will be calling the furloughs back.

If they called them back now, it would hurt their leverage, and isn't it funny how the company states that they want this contract done quickly???? I wonder why??? It is because they know we are short staffed!!!

I think the closer reality is that pilots coming out of fleets in disposal are being held at home waiting on Phenom sales / deliveries / training rather than being sent to fleets that will be in disposal later. Hence, you Excel, X, G200 and Falcon pilots are working hard. It makes some sense to avoid the extra training cost from pilots who will only spend a year or so in the new aircraft before it too goes into disposal. The real question is will the Phenoms get here in time to take up the slack before the wheels come off those other fleets. Management is banking on yes, and I think they're right. It's encoded in our pilot DNA to get the job done. As long as you guys can get it done safely, great. Management's plan will work, Hansell looks like a genius, Warren is happy and maybe throws NJA a bone with less required return and NJA lowers prices attracting more owners. Maybe.

 

[imacdog]

This would be the time to bring pilots back, to have training done in time for the busy season. Much as I would like to, I just don't see that happening this year.

 

[gutshotdraw]

We are working our BUTTS OFF!!! We desperately need our furloughed brethren back!
I don't want to give anyone false hope but I bet before the ink dries in our new contract, that the company will be calling the furloughs back.

If they called them back now, it would hurt their leverage, and isn't it funny how the company states that they want this contract done quickly???? I wonder why??? It is because they know we are short staffed!!!

As of the recurrent brief four days ago, recalls are planned for 2017.

Yes, you read that right.

Of course, 98% of the propaganda video and Chief Pilot slide show is complete crap, so.....

 

[ultrarunner]

Wow, they have a handle on what needs are in 4 years...impressive...

 

[OPECJet]

Do I get my 10 year pin upon recall?

 

[Xcorporate]

I'm curious how many will go back. No real career progression anymore, QOL seems to have slipped. I haven't experienced any real unity from our "brethren" during the furlough, actually quite the opposite. I have a pretty bad 135 gig right now and may defer, IF we don't get sold out in the mean time.....

I'm not interested in a career F.O. position in a Phenom.

 

[OPECJet]

I'm there. I got a going nowhere ground job at the moment.

 

[BentOver]

I'm curious how many will go back. I'm out No real career progression anymore,100% true QOL seems to have slipped. I haven't experienced any real unity from our "brethren" during the furlough, actually quite the opposite. I have a pretty bad 135 gig right now and may defer, IF we don't get sold out in the mean time.....

I'm not interested in a career F.O. position in a Phenom. Yeah, after recalls I'd expect all FO's to be in a Phenom or mid size as an FO for most of their remaining careers at NJA[/QUOTE]

These are pretty much all the reasons I had to ponder resigning for maybe 15 seconds, before pulling the trigger.

 

[BentOver]

Wow, they have a handle on what needs are in 4 years...impressive...

What they have is a handle on the delivery and disposal schedule for the next 4 years ( and a guess at attrition rates)... Airframes are about the only thing that will drive recalls. Not how much current pilots are being worked. IMO

 

[acaTerry]

Imacdog and RJ Bum,

I try to keep all my posts respectful in here, but the two of you have felt free to label me, so allow me to educate you on life: it does not always give you what you want. Especially you, RJ Bum. So I need a slice of humble pie? How's this?
1) Did you flight instruct for 4000 hrs? Didn't think so.
2) Did you move to a different state 3 times for employers that all went tits up and then have to start over at pay that was tens of thousands less than your last job? Didn't think so. At least in Asia you make a decent wage (I know about 30 different guys / gals in China, HK and Japan---so don't try to lie and tell me you are not getting paid).
3) Did you take part in the voluntary measures and sacrifice THOUSANDS of dollars so as to try to prevent furloughs of your fellow employees---read that YOU---, only to get kicked in the balls for it with remarks like yours and Imacdog's?
4) Humility??!!! Try digging holes in this damned desert ground with a pick and a shovel, 10 hrs a day, 6 days a week to support your family in between jobs. Especially when you're the only one who speaks English, and you can make out from your broken understanding of Spanish that "the gringo and his college degree are nada".
5) Are you married? Do you have kids? Did you commute literally across the country and see them 4 days per month and miss out on "the little" years" of your kids?
6) Are you helping to supporting your inlaws because they are disabled and can't work?
7) Did you bury your father and help support your mom who is caretaking two of your sisters...one who is retarded and the other with terminal brain cancer?
8) Do you come "that close" to losing your wife in the hospital from a botched up job by her doctor, watching her bleeding to death faster than they could add blood? And now that she had every drop of her own blood replaced, plus two more units in the surgery, she is chronically sick, in and out of the hospital, doctor visits, and always having something wrong. Do you REALLY think I WANT to be gone 18 days a month with this???!!!

I could go on adding to the list, but you know what? There are people who have it worse than me, so I will leave it at that.
The difference between you guys and me is that I refuse to wallow in self pity and get mad at everyone else for the challenges that life has dealt me. I have some hardships, but I believe that hardships build character and strengthen us. You guys, on the other hand, get mad at everyone else and somehow think that the world owes you.
If you think that nobody working the 18 day schedule would bring you back, you are sadly misinformed. We are working our butts off, even in the GLC now. I'm doing 5 leg days just like I was in the Encore: the EMT has made a "new normal" and has no intention of improving ANYTHING. The only difference is that the 18 day schedule is the only way to provide financially for my family and the others that depend on me. And I F*CKING HATE the idea that I have to be gone 18 days to do it. And I max out the FO payscale next June....no more raises of any sort. And I'm supposed to feel sorry for YOU?! I'm 45 years old with less than $20,000 in my life savings, essentially supporting my own family and extended family as well. Am I worried? No. Am I bitter? No. Do I have anything to cry about? NO! All that I have learned from the ups and downs in life is that God will take care of me one way or the other if I only look, and for you nonbelievers, all I can say is that things have a way to work out if you try hard enough. I am quite a different man than I was when I was in my 20's or even 6 months ago.
Stop acting like Ritalin children, who want to play baseball with no scorekeeping because its bad for your self esteem. From the posts and remarks you made it here, I can only deduce that you are spoiled and weak. If you work in Asia, you should all the more see and appreciate what you have been given in this life. There are people who die as I type this reply because they have no water, no food, no medicines, etc.
I have some obstacles, but I have far more to be thankful for than I have to feel bad about. You may want to try the same approach in your attitude and outlook.
You are so busy crying that you have no shoes, that you do not notice that others have no feet.
I refuse to apologize for doing what I have to do to take care of my loved ones. Grow a backbone, borrow one, whatever...but grow up and start taking responsibility and quit blaming everyone else for your situation.

 

[imacdog]

Now that's that union solidarity that NJASAP is known for.

 

[acaTerry]

No, it's life. Contrary to what Obama and all your left wing liberal teachers taught you, the world does not owe you a living. WTF? Did they stop telling the story of the ant and the grasshopper in school and replace it with Ni Hao Kailan and that whiney little koala bear?
You're not the only one who ever got furloughed. I was laid off my first flying job when you were still watching Barney the Dinosaur and learning that everyone should come crying to your rescue every time you lose at kickball.
Look, I am sorry that you are furloughed...BTW, "you're welcome" for the voluntary UNPAID time I took to try and save YOUR job. It didn't work. The company played us all like musical instruments and now you come after us "survivors". That's really poor form. How about we all just take a nice big paycut so you can come back? Are you a student of Josef Stalin?
Just because you are having a struggle (and I use that term loosely in America) does not mean that everyone else should be pulled down with you.
This kind of behavior is what gives unions bad names.

 

[fischman]

Acaterry,

You're wasting your breath. These guys have been told over and over again that staffing is done by the number of aircraft, not the number of duty days. Some simply refuse to listen to it. It is your contractual right to bid the 18 day. It wouldn't matter if all of us went on the 15 day, there would still be no recalls until after the CBA is signed.

Sorry guys, but that is the simple truth of it.