Netjets Domicile WARNING!!!! 4 wanna be's

[netjetwife]

I think you're right, DO. Isn't that why RS showed up with broom in hand? It might not be quite the image some of the pilots had when they were hoping he'd show up and rescue them from Boisture's "brainstorms", but a clean sweep often does wonders.

 

[h25b]

Never should have ratified a contract that didn't include home basing for everyone... End of story. New guys got screwed. Same old story, different union.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

Never should have ratified a contract that didn't include home basing for everyone... End of story. New guys got screwed. Same old story, different union.

They did not get screwed they just screwed themselves. If they dont like the contract dont work for netjets.

 

[G4dude]

Just curious...how large was the raise Santulli offered NJA several years ago?

 

[DO-82 driver]

G4...if memory serves me, the original $$$ was 75K for a 5year Captain.

 

[squonk]

DO-82 driver:

I have a feeling his legency at NetJets will not be fondly recorded.

Especially in Woodbridge! The arrogance with which he treated this pilot group gave us a resolve that I'm not sure we would have had otherwise.

There is some tribal knowledge that has been floating around since I've been here and I'm sure longer that said RTS made the statement after a contract "Yous guys could have held out for SOOOOO much more".

How ironic is it that now we can say, If RTS would have settled this four years ago we would have taken SOOOOO much less! Instead he brought in Moisture and the rest is history.

I'm sure Moistures mug is in the urinals in Woodbridge.

 

[Abbey]

Bubble,

I'm not sure if you realize it or not, but your post smacks of "I got mine, the rope is coming up." You sound like a bitter guy.


Archie

Ah, Lesson #1 from the book of ALPA.

Seriously though, if a pilot can't stand the NJA domicile system, don't apply to NetJets. If one can't stand the fact that a new hire at Delta has to be based in CVG, ATL, or SLC, don't blame the pilots on the roster for allowing the company to do so. Apply to Continental. Not having health insurance for your first 6 months of employment is what that jerk pilot group voted in for the newhires. Others may want to consider Southwest where one has to pony up $9K for a chance to interview. I am amazed that the current pilots at WN allow this abuse of people who might get hired.

Every place of employment has things that will work with some and things that won't.

 

[netjetwife]

Isn't there a provision in the airlines to allow a pilot to change hubs when their seniority enables them to bid into the one of their choice? NJ isn't paying moving expenses so what difference does it make to them if a pilot from the ranks takes the domicile being offered and the newhire is assigned to the one the other pilot left? Why deny the pilots the few choices that are available? I see that as an example of the disrespectful attitude that others have posted about.

The very nature of frac flying--planes left all over the place--makes me question the justification for the restrictive hiring and assigning of domiciles. Hub cities do work for the airlines, so the pilots can accept the system. I think part of the backlash against NJ's domicile policy is that pilots see it as being arbitrary and unfair. At least the airline pilots do fly in and out of the hub city they are required to show at. Frac pilots airlining out of a domicile to go pick up a plane in another location will have a hard time seeing the rationale behind such a system, especially when their counterparts are flying from airports near their homes. That legitimate complaint may begin to show up in poor morale and a high turn over rate. While I acknowledge that it's too soon to tell, I see the domicile policy at NJA as being penny wise and pound foolish.
NJW

 

[d91papa]

The very nature of frac flying--planes left all over the place--makes me question the justification for the restrictive hiring and assigning of domiciles. Hub cities do work for the airlines, so the pilots can accept the system. I think part of the backlash against NJ's domicile policy is that pilots see it as being arbitrary and unfair. At least the airline pilots do fly in and out of the hub city they are required to show at. Frac pilots airlining out of a domicile to go pick up a plane in another location will have a hard time seeing the rationale behind such a system, especially when their counterparts are flying from airports near their homes. That legitimate complaint may begin to show up in poor morale and a high turn over rate. While I acknowledge that it's too soon to tell, I see the domicile policy at NJA as being penny wise and pound foolish.
NJW[/quote]
Has there ever been some company statement explaining the rationale for the 5 domicile policy?

 

[popgoesbubble]

Archie
And I and everyone else that came before the contract could afford to work for $27 Grand? What ever dude I had to make a tough choice and take a $50K pay cut because I knew my airline would be tits up. Sorry didn't work for Cumair either. Lets talk about Cumair pilots sticking it to the ASA guys dring there contract negotiations. You guys swallowed to get more jets and then screwed your fellow Alpa brothers. My airline ACA screwed all FO's by not having a good pay scale for the Fo's those senior guys that on the page of shame didnt give a crap there response was eventually you'll all be captain here.

And now those same guys are here and bitching about not having HBA? Well my response is tough it out eventually you will have it!

 

[jetfo]

Cj -

I personally don't like the fact that they have to report to 1 of 5 domiciles to start work. I think it's short sighted and potentially a safety concern for NetJets overall. I'm just not sure how much the existing pilot force was willing to trade to make that go away.

I don't know, but I think that the 5 domiciles will go away. You have to position those a/c to too many places and have to airline the crews anyway. They'll figure out that it will work better for them to have the home basing and that it is an attractive recruitment tool to obtain experienced pilots.

 

[netjetwife]

Not that I'm aware of and it is fair to say that my husband is part of the inner circle. That is my reason for using the word "arbitrary". Not only was no explanation given to the pilotforce, but to my knowledge, there was no data collection, trial period,etc., testing the system before it was put in place. A computer whiz running numbers hardly counts as a real world test. That's also why I call it an experiment, and view it as extremely unfair to make such high demands of pilots and their families for a system whose value is questionable. Considering what NJA is asking of its newhires--living in expensive cities (or commuting to them) on low wages--it is only right that they justify the restrictions they are placing upon the pilots.

I know full well that some will say it is their right and that the pilots don't have to take the job. My response is that smart managers know they get more from a workforce that is treated respectfully. When pilots keep turning down a job based on one reason alone, that should be an indication that there is a problem with that particular job requirement. I personally think the system could very well be doomed to failure, or not ever meet the expectations they had for it, and I think it's wrong to make the employees bear the brunt of their short-sighted thinking. If the domicile system is so much better than HBAs then why isn't it used at NJI where there isn't a contract that would prevent it from being used?

 

[jetfo]

If the domicile system is so much better than HBAs then why isn't it used at NJI where there isn't a contract that would prevent it from being used?

Good point!

 

[netjetwife]

Pop, my husband is advising newhires that it could be 8 yrs before they can get into the HBA system. I see that as a lot of sacrifice for a benefit that has yet to be proven. I don't think it's wise or fair for a company to treat its workers in such a fundamentally different way.

 

[DC3PLT1]

Just Curious,

What is HBA??