Netjets Domicile WARNING!!!! 4 wanna be's

[SCT]

Good posts Waco and Cav.

 

[realityman]

"If there is ever a lack of qualified applicants the company will merely open more domiciles."

Bingo!! We have a winner!! The company has the right ot do that in our new CBA. Not much chance of the domicile thing going away before our next round of negotiations.

By the way, for everyone telling the new guys "Tough! Just suck it up and quit whining, you knew what you were getting into when you accpeted the job!", maybe should remember that at our current rate of hiring it won't be long before the post-ratification pilots outnumber the pre-ratification pilots. Those of us who may be looking for a decent increase in comensation may be outvoted by those who are willing to forego a decent raise in order to get out of the domicile thing. Maybe we should try a little more sympathy for these folks and try try pull together as a team before the next contract or we'll all be landing without gear.

 

[d91papa]

Regarding newhires eventually receiving an HBA assignment.
Contract says 30% of seniority list. All on property prior to ratification are grandfathered in. Pilots who live with-in 90 miles of a "domicile", are considered domiciled based and are not counted towards 30% of seniority list for HBA purposes. Q; What % of list is considered domicled pilots? If it's 30%, and NJA has 3000 pilots, one would only have to be in the top 2000 to be eligible for HBA.
I believe a domiciled pilot (grandfathered) can switch to HBA if desired. Does this switch now get calculated towards 30% HBA?
It's all so confusing, if I'd only stayed in lawschool....!

 

[Floyd94]

Heres an off topic question, sort of... How do new hire guys commute to their domicile if NJ dosen't have any jumpseat agreements? Do people just pick up and move to the domicile, or is it possible to commute in the day before???

 

[Guitar Guy]

Do people just pick up and move to the domicile, or is it possible to commute in the day before???

Yes and yes. A new-hire can certainly move to a domicile but it's certainly allowed to commute in the day before or on the actual first day of duty. The company provides blackberries (the so-called crackberry) and we are briefed over these the day or evening prior to our fist day of duty. At the time of the briefing, we are given our show time and also our show location, be it an FBO or the airline terminal for transportation. Some new-hires do opt to live a decent distance from their domicile and that is perfectly acceptable to the company as long as they are in place for duty according to the brief assigned to them.

And if you are curious, there are only 5 domiciles open to new-hires: CMH, LAX, PBI, TEB and DAL. However, the company only seems to be offering CMH and LAX at this time to recent new-hires. And if you ask the next logical question, there is currently no provision in the contract for a new-hire to move from one domicile to another. In some famous and oft-quoted words, the situation "is what it is".

 

[RTRHD]

Just give up on NJI Inc.,odds are it won't work anyway. Offer them HBA for everyone. Just a thought.

 

[linder]

Just give up on NJI Inc.,odds are it won't work anyway. Offer them HBA for everyone. Just a thought.

You just had to kick the beehive. This thread will get interesting again.

 

[Floyd94]

Thanks for the info, I just sent my application in today. Another question if you don't mind. How do people usually commute if there are no offline jumpseat agreements?

 

[gunfyter]

I bought airline tickets and hotel rooms for 7 yrs

 

[AirBear8]

Thanks for the info, I just sent my application in today. Another question if you don't mind. How do people usually commute if there are no offline jumpseat agreements?

You don't. If you do not have non-rev privilages via a family member or former job then you basically have to drive to your domicile, move there, or buy airline tickets. With the way fares are rising that's probably not going to be feasible.

I wouldn't suggest pursuing a job at NetJets unless you're within driving distance or willing to move to within that distance at one of the 5 domiciles. There's no rule about how close you have to live. If you're willing to drive 12 hours each way 2 or 3 times a month then you could live 700+ miles away.

AirBear

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Would you be willing to give up, overtime, per diem, holiday pay, and union protection just so you could have home basing? Not me.

Overtime: Got it ($6,000 this quarter alone)

Per Diem: Dont need it, ALL expenses paid for

Holiday Pay: Get every other holiday off

Union Protection: Wouldnt take it if was free, been there done that

Fly from Home: Got it

 

[Cavpilot]

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[Cavpilot]

OK Wolfpack, so I was wrong about the overtime. My point was to show that there are benefits at NJA that our cousins at NJI don't get to enjoy. Because of this, home basing is a huge equalizer. Don't get so defensive, dude.

 

[d91papa]

I wouldn't suggest pursuing a job at NetJets unless you're within driving distance or willing to move to within that distance at one of the 5 domiciles. There's no rule about how close you have to live. If you're willing to drive 12 hours each way 2 or 3 times a month then you could live 700+ miles away.

AirBear

I 've got a 450 mile commute, STL-CMH, 6.5 hours of drive. Still less than many do weekly..just hope I can survive all those trucks on I-70 indefinately. I think it's time to buy a diesel Jetta. Anyone out there have one of these?

 

[imacdog]

I 've got a 450 mile commute, STL-CMH, 6.5 hours of drive. Still less than many do weekly..just hope I can survive all those trucks on I-70 indefinately. I think it's time to buy a diesel Jetta. Anyone out there have one of these?

Friend bought one, he said gas mileage is as advertised (very, very high). Seems like a nice car. Actually I think he got the Rabbit, might be the same engine.

 

[Ultra Grump]

I think it's time to buy a diesel Jetta.

Then you can make your own biodiesel - nice!

 

[wolfpackpilot]

My point was to show that there are benefits at NJA that our cousins at NJI don't get to enjoy. Because of this, home basing is a huge equalizer. Don't get so defensive, dude.

Just as there are benefits at NJI that you dont get to enjoy. It is what it is, and Im not defensive about it.

When Netjets pilots can get their heads out of the clouds long enough to see that we would all benefit more by getting along... maybe we would.

 

[Majik]

When Netjets pilots can get their heads out of the clouds long enough to see that we would all benefit more by getting along... maybe we would.

NJI and NJA pilots are all NetJets Pilots separated by only one thing - Santulli's ego. That is the "cloud". I don't blame NJI pilots for taking advantage of that ego but I also don't blame NJA pilots for wanting FFH like NJI employees enjoy.

 

[realityman]

Wolf, just curious, is the overtime you made extended days, or is any of it hourly overtime? I only ask because today I was about to be awarded the GIV captain bid. After reading the work rules at NJI I decided I was better off staying where I am at NJA (a personal decision. Other pilots would certainly feel they were better off at NJI). But one of the main things that scared me away was the lack of overtime.
It looks to me like you can do extended days all you want, but that you aren't paid any hourly overtime for long days. Do I have that right? I only ask because I now make (at my current pay rate) over $7K/year just in hourly overtime. Also, the rules didn't mention holiday pay. Do you get an extended days pay for working holidays? Right now we get an extended days pay for each company-designated holiday, and while I typically only work half the holidays in any given year, that is another $2700 in my pocket.
Just wondering how it works over there. Maybe I should have accepted the bid?

I will say that we, like you, get crew meals when we're busy flying. I realize that you have your other meals paid for with a company card, but any per diem that I don't eat i get to take home. That typically amounts to another $4K or so in my pocket every year. Personally, I'd rather take home the extra cash than eat really fancy on the road with a company card.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Wolf, just curious, is the overtime you made extended days, or is any of it hourly overtime?

Check your PM

 

[Ultra Grump]

Just wondering how it works over there. Maybe I should have accepted the bid?

Wow, maybe you should have asked these questions before turning down the award? Though I guess being that senior, the opportunity will arise again.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

I also don't blame NJA pilots for wanting FFH like NJI employees enjoy.

Nor do I. This is basically a wash in my opinion. That being said, dont blame NJI pilots for wanting to protect their positions and futures either. I dont think this is a case of who is screwing who, just a bunch of pilots who want to protect themselves and their futures.

 

[ozpilot]

I 've got a 450 mile commute, STL-CMH, 6.5 hours of drive. Still less than many do weekly..just hope I can survive all those trucks on I-70 indefinately. I think it's time to buy a diesel Jetta. Anyone out there have one of these?

A small world ... One of the X instructors at Flight Safety Columbus (initials EW) also lives in STL, also commutes every other week and he drives a diesel Jetta. Last time I talked to him, he was on his second - and he loves it.

 

[d91papa]

A small world ... One of the X instructors at Flight Safety Columbus (initials EW) also lives in STL, also commutes every other week and he drives a diesel Jetta. Last time I talked to him, he was on his second - and he loves it.

I'll have to look this guy up...maybe we can carpool.

 

[mauipilot]

Are you allowed to commute to your domicile? Or do you have to live x minutes from the airport? THanks for the help.

 

[d91papa]

Are you allowed to commute to your domicile? Or do you have to live x minutes from the airport? THanks for the help.

You can live wherever, you just need to be at domicile at showtime/place etc.

 

[AirBear8]

Are you allowed to commute to your domicile? Or do you have to live x minutes from the airport? THanks for the help.

Live where you want to just be in domicile at your show time. Keep in mind you won't have non-rev benefits (unless from another source) and most airlines won't let you ride jumpseat. I wouldn't suggest living more than a day's drive from your domicile since driving may be your only option.

AirBear

 

[gutshotdraw]

Wolf, just curious, is the overtime you made extended days, or is any of it hourly overtime? I only ask because today I was about to be awarded the GIV captain bid. After reading the work rules at NJI I decided I was better off staying where I am at NJA (a personal decision. Other pilots would certainly feel they were better off at NJI). But one of the main things that scared me away was the lack of overtime.
It looks to me like you can do extended days all you want, but that you aren't paid any hourly overtime for long days. Do I have that right? I only ask because I now make (at my current pay rate) over $7K/year just in hourly overtime. Also, the rules didn't mention holiday pay. Do you get an extended days pay for working holidays? Right now we get an extended days pay for each company-designated holiday, and while I typically only work half the holidays in any given year, that is another $2700 in my pocket.
Just wondering how it works over there. Maybe I should have accepted the bid?

I will say that we, like you, get crew meals when we're busy flying. I realize that you have your other meals paid for with a company card, but any per diem that I don't eat i get to take home. That typically amounts to another $4K or so in my pocket every year. Personally, I'd rather take home the extra cash than eat really fancy on the road with a company card.

NJI: No holiday pay. No overtime for long days. No extra pay for early day 1 callout. No extra cash for hangnails. Majik keeps repeating the mantra that only RTS' ego keeps NJA and NJI separate. It's MONEY! Changing NJI's overtime policy to the CBA overtime policy would cost MILLIONS. On a recent day 1 airline, I would have made $900 in overtime under the CBA. overtime pay received: 0$ Multiply that times 300 pilots just a handful of times a
year and you're talking serious coin.

 

[FLYLOW22]

On a recent day 1 airline, I would have made $900 in overtime under the CBA. overtime pay received: 0$ Multiply that times 300 pilots just a handful of times a
year and you're talking serious coin.

I know this is a novel concept but some of us actually LIKE making money in exchange for providing our services... (tongue in cheek).