NetJets China Set To Start Ops in Early 2014

[G4dude]

No way does NJA put furloughees over in China (atleast not without the traditional application/interview process completely unrelated to whether or not it is a furloughee).

How would they go about deciding what furloughee gets to go (if they even want to)? Seniority? What if the most senior furloughee has no experience in a Gulfstream/Global, no international experience, hasn't flown in 3 years etc.....

If NJA needs pilots for China, I'd bet they'd go the usual route... Get some of old buddy buddy "A" teamers trained and send them over...

In managements eyes, there are no furloughees.. Atleast none to worry about in the near/mid future.

I am surprised they haven't said how they will staff the planes.

 

[G4dude]

Bwahahahaha............yeah I'm sure management is getting right to work on that. You're buddies with them, why don't you suggest it?

I actually avoid them as much as possible.

 

[macdu]

I have lived and worked here for the airline side of things for three years and like to keep up on the different aviation developments here in China. I don't know much about Netjets aside from what I read on forums and the basic business model as a whole, so I am an outsider on this technically.
But out of curiosity how do you guys plan on working this future gig over here? Will you live here? Just spend one month here then go home for a month? What kind of schedules are we looking at? Who's regs wil you operate under? The Chinese ATC system is not designed(there is no design actually) for on demand flights. You need to schedule at least a day in advance to go somewhere from what I have been told.
China, is a whole different can of worms than what a lot of you guys have ever experienced I will guarantee. It could be the experience of a lifetime or a nightmare. Something else just occurred to me. If you have to earn a Chinese ATP AND MEDICAL!?
Then lets consider if you have a family. Terrible air pollution, questionable water, food, IRS and taxes, frequent long hauls to the U.S.(killer), massive cultural differences, to name a few.
Just some of my thoughts. I would be interested to here from you guys(gals). Cheers

 

[jtf]

In my opinion, they should staff it like they did NJME. Everyone interviews there and it is a separate job, but NJA pilots and furloughees have retreat rights back to NJA (with their seniority numbers and longevity) as long as they are not fired for just cause. I would prefer a different way of scheduling to the way they did it at NJME though- 35 on and 31 off could be offered I guess with the ability to live anywhere you want, but I would be fine with 7&7 while being based in Hong Kong, Macao, or elsewhere in Asia reasonably close to China.

I heard that a recent recurrent class was told all the hiring would be totally separate from NJA. I think they are looking to cheap out on the pilots. I hope this bites them in the butt when they realize that pilots with experience over there don't come cheap and a deal with the NJA pilots like they had for NJME would probably be able to get them plenty of pilots and also get them for less than the going rate over there now. I'm sure they will probably start some ab-initio training program for the locals, but that takes years to spool up. The current way of cheaping out whenever possible by management here is already leaving the door wide open for the compition. I honestly won't be surprised to see lots of other companies kick NetJets China's butt right out the back door before it can ever really establish itself.

 

[gunfyter]

:angryfire +1

I think they are looking to cheap out on the pilots.

 

[X-rated]

I don't know where they will get experienced large cabin international Captains if they don't pay. The going rate in China is 225-250K. I don't think they'll attract manny desirable Expats for much less. There are plenty of high paying jobs for experienced expats there now. I don't see how adding airframes will reverse that trend.

 

[CALRepublic]

I don't know where they will get experienced large cabin international Captains if they don't pay. The going rate in China is 225-250K. I don't think they'll attract manny desirable Expats for much less. There are plenty of high paying jobs for experienced expats there now. I don't see how adding airframes will reverse that trend.

yes i'll have to agree with you there.

They might offer expats the same bennies we get here at NJA, plus the option of coming back to the U.S at a later time to work for EJM

but that won't be enough, they're gonna have to pay up

I'll do it for a while if they offer it to me. I'd love to see Singapore, Japan, Vietnam, Australia and all those places... Sadly i don't care for China

 

[gunfyter]

If you could domicile in Manilla, or in Japan ... that would work for me. Like the guys at NJME who lived in Europe

 

[jetwash]

I'll do it for a while if they offer it to me. I'd love to see Singapore, Japan, Vietnam, Australia and all those places... Sadly i don't care for China

A word of advice, don't repeat your above statement in the job interview.

 

[gutshotdraw]

A word of advice, don't repeat your above statement in the job interview.

If you have a Gulfstream 550 or Global Express rating in your pocket, you could practically spit in their eye and you'll land the gig in Asia these days.

 

[CE750Driver]

All you NJ guys. If you want these questions answered, why don't you email the NJAsia Chief Pilot or President? I have.

They both have my resume, and I have spoken to both. I know the answers to all the questions that have been posted. No speculation. It is not my job to post it here, in a public forum. But the answers some of you are giving are laughable. The "I thinks", and "I believe", even more so.

The one thing I can say is, the Chinese ATP and Medical are mandatory.

Cheers.

 

[Hogprint]

I can also pass along MGMT isn't touching this subject with a 10' pole in a recent recurrent. To be fair nobody pressed them on the issue but it was just mentioned in passing. Seems to be a different "focus" lately...

 

[jtf]

CE750 Driver, it may not be your job to post it here, but why come here to tell us we are all wrong and then not tell us the facts? Spill the beans already so this thread can die after answering the questions and not continuing the speculation.

 

[OPECJet]

So what's the overall dribble in company recurrent these days?

 

[gret]

CE750 Driver, it may not be your job to post it here, but why come here to tell us we are all wrong and then not tell us the facts? Spill the beans already so this thread can die after answering the questions and not continuing the speculation.

Agree...I use to try this when I was a kid and my older sister would beat the living bejesus out of me until I told her what I knew.

 

[imacdog]

750 just wants to feel really important. Maybe small man syndrome. Based on a lack of the company communicating anything on the subject, it's pretty clear they aren't interested in having actual NetJets experienced pilots doing NetJets branded flying in China.

 

[CE750Driver]

You guys can all pick up the BB and email either of them. Im not going to give information sent in personal emails and conversations, on public message board. You would have to be an idiot to do so, when you are looking for a job.

So guys, keep complaining, or be a man and send a text.

I have no doubt weak dicks like imacdog will just keep complaining. Your penis must be very small not to contact these guys directly if you have a serious question imacdog.

 

[imacdog]

I'll be sure to pick up my nonexistant BB and email them, thanks 750!

 

[CE750Driver]

I'll be sure to pick up my nonexistant BB and email them, thanks 750!

Then do the work. Google who the Chief Pilot is, send him an email with your resume and cover letter and see what happens. Its not rocket science.

Other than that, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to jeopardize any chance I have, sharing info with non NJ personnel, or on a public message board, and pissing people off.

 

[imacdog]

Yeah I understand, would be awful to give info on whether NJA is looking to offer opportunities to its pilots for the Asian operation. That stuff is beyond top secret! Only CE750 has the decoder ring on this one, which pretty much answers the question anyway.

 

[CE750Driver]

The opportunity is there for any NJA pilot that wants, to apply, and if hired, take a leave of absence for a year or two, then come back.

Does that answer your question?

God you take Dooshbaggery to the next level.

 

[CALRepublic]

The opportunity is there for any NJA pilot that wants, to apply, and if hired, take a leave of absence for a year or two, then come back.

.

well then, I think I'm gonna give it a go.

Maybe they'll buy me a 7X or Global type

 

[CE750Driver]

well then, I think I'm gonna give it a go.

Maybe they'll buy me a 7X or Global type

That was my motivation CAL. And I would love to take the family ExPat for a few years.

 

[gunfyter]

750

Can you point me to good info on the Chinese ATP and medical?

 

[CE750Driver]

750

Can you point me to good info on the Chinese ATP and medical?

Pprune.org is where I got most of my info. Looks pretty tough for both of them. The medical, will be by far the most challenging for me, as sometimes I show up Red/Green color blind on the tests. (Depending which one) The medical was called the Chinese Astronaut medical a few years back. This helps in the searches. It has been evolving a bit in the last few years.

 

[thepotato232]

Well, let's see: You've got your blood draw, urinalysis, EEG, ECG, cardiac stress test, abdominal, cardiac and carotid ultrasounds, chest x-rays... and that's pretty much it for Day One.

Next up are the full eye and ear tests, colorblindness, blood pressure reading, followed by a full-body exam done in the nude - checking for scars, freedom of movement, hernias, etc. Folks over 40 will be also be subject to a CAT scan. Anomalies on any of the above tests result in either more invasive exams (biopsy, radioactive dye), or simply failure of the medical.

The ATP written is based (LOOSELY) on the FAA written, administered in largely the same manner. Translation errors and flat-out erroneous information abound. 70% is a pass, any more than that and you're just showing off. Unlike the other steps here, retakes of failed written exams are common.

The checkride is a bit of a wild card, largely dependent on the examiner you draw. Some candidates get little more than a LOFT, others end up on the standby instruments with a busted engine. Regardless of your performance, the examiner will take the opportunity in the debrief to run your skills and last company's procedures into the dirt. Any attempt to cut across him will not go over well.

If you can manage all that, then congratulations, you're among the most sought-after pilots in the world. Please negotiate with your employer accordingly. In my experience, once you get past the surly, incompetent, or just plain mean gatekeepers at the CAAC, things start looking up.

 

[BentOver]

I can also pass along MGMT isn't touching this subject with a 10' pole in a recent recurrent. To be fair nobody pressed them on the issue but it was just mentioned in passing. Seems to be a different "focus" lately...

NJA management hasn't done a single thing for the furloughed (not that much is expected) and upcoming continuation of Union busting to focus on...

There is no way they are going to advocate/facilitate the use of current (or former) NJA Union guys to head up any new overseas operation... Especially with the number of qualified EXPATS looking for large corporate jet work... It's not like all of a sudden NJC is gonna have 200 a/c with no pilots.. This new venture seems nothing more than a little a/c management similar to every other operator out there (EJM). (with NJA's name tied to it)..

And who's to say these managed a/c don't already have their own pilots tied to them?

 

[gutshotdraw]

A couple of points.

1) A good friend is one of the 495 and has been flying in China for nearly three years. His first employer operated B-registered aircraft and, after a brief grace period, required the Chinese medical and ATP conversion including a checkride at FlightSafety SAV with a China-approved DPE. Thorough, but not rocket science according to him.

His more recent employer operates N-Registered aircraft based in Hong Kong and the conversion would not be required for that position.

2) Leaves of absence at NJ have been hit and miss. I know of a few pilots that have been granted LOA's with the company's full knowledge they were going to fly for another operator while on leave. Meanwhile, another good friend in my fleet asked for an LOA to go to Asia and was rejected specifically BECAUSE he was going to fly for another operator. He quit as a result. Personally, I would have filed a grievance for the unequal treatment.

His company also operates N-registered aircraft in HK and the conversion is not required.

3) Until something is published by the company, I will consider every rumor about NJ China hiring policy to be exactly that: a rumor. Perhaps there is a new LOA policy specifically for NJC but I have my doubts that they will offer TDY assignments to current NJNA pilots or preferential hiring to non-typed furloughs. It would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.

4) The fact remains that typed and experienced large cabin pilots are in high demand in China, Hong Kong, Singapore, and elsewhere in Asia. That is unlikely to change any time soon barring total economic collapse (hey, Obama IS still in office....). Like anywhere else, there are good jobs, so-so jobs, and downright crappy jobs. And, like anywhere else in the corporate flying world, who you know is at least as important as what you know. Especially if they can help you avoid the crappy jobs. Caveat emptor.

 

[gunfyter]

Sounds like I am better off staying here ....

 

[imacdog]

The opportunity is there for any NJA pilot that wants, to apply, and if hired, take a leave of absence for a year or two, then come back.

Does that answer your question?

God you take Dooshbaggery to the next level.

I knew you could just say it instead of proclaiming your awesomeness for having information that you won't share. Good on ya 750.