Netjets Casino employees

[dsptchrnja]

The more of this I see, the less I worry about folks upstairs. Keep drinking that koolaid, Bill and Rich would be proud. There are lots of jobs at the Limited loading trucks. .

Thanks friend.

 

[dsptchrnja]

"... but your harrassing posts don't leave much room for compassion.

"...until our objectives are achieved or the doors are closed." [emphasis mine]

either does this.

 

[x402]

Yes there was/is a reason. He's an idiot. Asks stupid questions and when he gets an answer won't believe or understand it. BBJ pilots are covered as 284/1108 union pilots. We don't care if you call them NJLA or Big Fu$$ing Jets. They are pilots from our senority list, as opposed to NJI. We can only educate people for so long.

I don't believe you are any friend of mine or any other pilot here. Your sweet 40 hour a week job is being jerked around by Boisture and Santulli so you need someone to blame. Fire away.
When it all hits the fan, I can file,check notams, weather and fly the plane. What do you think owners wants, nice flight plans or pilots.

 

[On Your Six]

Thanks friend.

Don't tell me you wouldn't be upset if you were paid 30-50% less than your Part 91 peers and you had been negotiating a new contract for years with no progress...

With all due respect, you are not a professional pilot (beyond basic ratings). You have not paid your dues like most NJA pilots - regardless of your personal situation. If NJA management is smart (and that is a stretch), they will figure out that providing a FAIR contract to its pilots (at least bring the salaries up to Part 91 average for each aircraft type) is in the best interest of everyone... Poor morale among the pilots equals bad news for everyone - including the anal-retentive owners... This is a service business and poor pilot treatment leads to poor service - why is that difficult to understand? Warren Buffet and BH have considerable cash and everyone knows there is considerable waste throughout the NJA system.

Time to pay up or get ready for a long summer (and maybe fall) break...

 

[ce750drvr]

To those of you upstairs,

Quit yer bitchen about "you knew what you were making when you came here" crap!!!

You knew (or had the ability to find out) that we were union and could possibly go on strike someday.

If you didn't know or didn't find out, that's not our fault. It's yours!!

You're GD right we will strike if we have too. We should just roll over just for you so you can keep your job?? Whatever!! You sound like my ex-wife. "It is all about you isn't it??", she would say. Come to find out, the counselor made her see it was all about her. It's all about YOU because that is all I have read here. "You are threatening my job", "my family", "my this", "my that"..

Enough already. We will do what WE have to. Be it a strike or recess or find another job. You do what YOU have to, whatever that may be.

Also, how many times do we have to tell you people that we refused to look at the books that they offered. THE COMPANY REFUSED TO SHOW US THE BOOKS THAT WE REQUESTED TO LOOK AT. Why don't you ask the company what they have to hide by not showing US the books we want? I will tell you......A SH!T LOAD OF HIDDEN MONEY THAT THEY DON'T WANT US TO KNOW ABOUT. That is why we will strike.

So instead of being pissed at us, why don't you direct some of that anomosity towards the company, for they are the reason we will strike. Ergo, their fault.

MORONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I swear!!!!!!!!!!! It is not that difficult!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[AA717driver]

NJI pilots are not paid at the top of the GIV scale for corporate pilots. But they aren't on the bottom, either. They aren't corporate pilots. They don't have hanger duties. They don't have to put in face time. Their job has much more in common with airline pilots than corporate pilots.

For flying a 75k lb. or 91k lb. airplane, their pay is comparable to airline pilots flying planes in the same weight class. In fact, they are well ahead of the pay at JB for the 190, a much heavier aircraft.

Just a thought.TC

 

[On Your Six]

NJI pilots are not paid at the top of the GIV scale for corporate pilots. But they aren't on the bottom, either. They aren't corporate pilots. They don't have hanger duties. They don't have to put in face time. Their job has much more in common with airline pilots than corporate pilots.

For flying a 75k lb. or 91k lb. airplane, their pay is comparable to airline pilots flying planes in the same weight class. In fact, they are well ahead of the pay at JB for the 190, a much heavier aircraft.

Just a thought.TC

Appreciate your thought, but your JetBlue example is not a good one. JetBlue pilots don't have a union and they are impotent - they have zero control and now JetBlue's management will bring down airline pilot pay (and hurt mainline and regional pay rates in the process). Captains flying 747s for Orient Thai Airways are earning roughly $40K per year - but their aircraft are heavier than most. Chinese pilots are paid even less to fly 777s and A340-600s. Your point about aircraft weight doesn't work unless you suggest everyone flying aircraft smaller than the 747 earn less than Orient Thai Airways pilots...

Your point about comparable Part 91 pay rates is understood. However, paying Citation X Captains $57K per year is just a joke - regardless of whether their schedule mirrors an airline-like schedule or not. Paying a newhire G200 or Citation X or Citation Sovereign FO roughly $30K per year for 3-4 years is obscene and everyone knows it....... It hurts everyone in the business - screw that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Warren has tons of money - and now he has more given that he has screwed the pilots for the last 3 years... Time to pay up...

 

[netjetwife]

Did you miss it, or are you ignoring it?

Dsptchr, my post on page one of this thread made it clear that the MEC chairman is NOT on the negotiating team and his leaving the room had NO BEARING ON WHAT TOOK PLACE. We were all apprised of the proceedings which followed because one of the negotiators posted a full report to the pilots. Communication is a top priority for Local 1108. Your post shows a basic lack of understanding so I will help fill you in. The leadership positions are voluntary--we do not pay them.

You are distorting the issue of looking at the books, as well. Actually, what is telling, is that the company is the one refusing to open the only books which hold the critical information--those of NJ INC, not to be confused with NJA. That said, the NEGOTIATING TEAM (whose job it is) HAS looked at the bits and pieces of financial information that have been offered to our side. To put it plainly, it's a case of "been there, done that" now let's see the REAL DEAL. If you're going to discuss the issue of refusals, please get the facts straight.

Whether we are talking about NJI, EJM, NJE, or the BBJ pilots of NJA--the fact remains that all of these pilots are employees working under the umbrella of NetJets Incorporated and have salaries much greater than their "poor cousins" at NJA. One can proffer different theories to explain the discrepancy, but it is logical to conclude that the other employee groups just did a better job of getting a good deal for themselves from the parent company. It must be noted that NJ Inc has managed to pay fair/good wages to all of these pilots while continuing to grow and prosper---last year the company had a 28% increase over 2003. Last year they also tried to tell the NJA pilots they were broke, a claim that is hard to continue while Santulli is bragging in the NY Times (today's issue) that demand "has been incredible". Faced with a tough negotiating team this time around, management has stopped telling the pilots they're not making money and has even admitted that the NJA profits have been used to subsidize NJ Europe while NJ Inc grows that part of the business.

Will the company have to make cut backs if they pay the NJA pilots like they do others in NJ Inc? Possibly so, but I seriously doubt that any of you in the "Casino" would notice whether or not a new NJ overseas was started up this year instead of waiting another year or so. We all need to think beyond ourselves and realize that this is a huge international company bent on rapid growth. They will tell ALL of their employees, regardless of their union affiliation or job descriptions, that the money isn't there BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PRIORITIES AND WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ELSEWHERE. They may also be arrogant enough to believe that many of us don't read the NY Times. Or perhaps they're just too busy to be concerned with any of our families. After all, according to Mr Santulli, "customers are flying much more than they ever did before."

A RISING TIDE SHOULD LIFT ALL BOATS

IT IS TIME TO PAY ALL OF THE NJ INC PILOTS PROFESSIONAL WAGES

 

[TurboJetCpt]

Hey don't worry dsptchrNJA, your "friend" Bill Moisture already TOLD YOU that there wouldn't be any layoffs. You should feel secure and HAPPY

All is good and the bad pilots will be gone soon. Then you can dispatch your little heart out for the SCABS that remain...have fun.

 

[Diesel]

PLEASE... stick to flying planes. That's all they need you for.

That's a nice touch. That might be all they need us for but just remember they NEED us.

 

[FAcFriend]

Dsptchr, my post on page one of this thread made it clear that the MEC chairman is NOT on the negotiating team and his leaving the room had NO BEARING ON WHAT TOOK PLACE. We were all apprised of the proceedings which followed because one of the negotiators posted a full report to the pilots. Communication is a top priority for Local 1108. Your post shows a basic lack of understanding so I will help fill you in. The leadership positions are voluntary--we do not pay them.


ok, back to trying to have a good discussion without the hostility.

so the MEC chairman left the room and your negotiating team took over and reported back to you. Of course, they didnt report EVERYTHING because they signed a non disclosure form. Is their report transparent? Can you trust the negotiating team if they signed the agreement? If the answer to the above question is "yes, we still trust the negotiating team", then it looks from an outsider that your MEC chair has "staged" a confrontation for no reason.

You see from my perspective- this makes no sense. But i am willing to listen and try to understand.


Then I thought the following:
But if the MEC chairman is not participating fully in the negoatiations, why are you paying him to be there? Couldn't your money and his energy be better spent elsewhere, than sitting outside the negotiating room?

But you have said "leadership postions are voluntary. We do not pay them."

Does this guy take his vacation time to attend these meetings? Who pays for him to be there? Hotel, airfare? His time.

 

[peghead]

Hey Dickscratcher,

Did anybody tell you this company was built of the sweet of the Pilots that filled their own flight plans. You were only hired so the pilots could make more money for RTS and keep the airplanes up in the air....remember that!

 

[semperfido]

Did anybody tell you this company was built of the sweet of the Pilots that filled their own flight plans.

sweet ( P ) Pronunciation Key (swt)
adj. sweet·er, sweet·est
Having the taste of sugar or a substance containing or resembling sugar, as honey or saccharin.

 

[dsptchrnja]

To those of you upstairs,

Quit yer bitchen about "you knew what you were making when you came here" crap!!!

You knew (or had the ability to find out) that we were union and could possibly go on strike someday.

If you didn't know or didn't find out, that's not our fault. It's yours!!

You're GD right we will strike if we have too. We should just roll over just for you so you can keep your job?? Whatever!! You sound like my ex-wife. "It is all about you isn't it??", she would say. Come to find out, the counselor made her see it was all about her. It's all about YOU because that is all I have read here. "You are threatening my job", "my family", "my this", "my that"..

Enough already. We will do what WE have to. Be it a strike or recess or find another job. You do what YOU have to, whatever that may be.

Also, how many times do we have to tell you people that we refused to look at the books that they offered. THE COMPANY REFUSED TO SHOW US THE BOOKS THAT WE REQUESTED TO LOOK AT. Why don't you ask the company what they have to hide by not showing US the books we want? I will tell you......A SH!T LOAD OF HIDDEN MONEY THAT THEY DON'T WANT US TO KNOW ABOUT. That is why we will strike.

So instead of being pissed at us, why don't you direct some of that anomosity towards the company, for they are the reason we will strike. Ergo, their fault.

And the blame game continues...

 

[Live4flyng]

NJI pilots are not paid at the top of the GIV scale for corporate pilots. But they aren't on the bottom, either. They aren't corporate pilots. They don't have hanger duties. They don't have to put in face time. Their job has much more in common with airline pilots than corporate pilots.

Actually, their job has everything in common with the operation of NJA. It was modeled after and paid for by NJA's operation. The operations are interchangeable and owned by the same company (NeJets Inc, Berkshire Hathaway).

We know you have a huge hard-on for NJI, did you used to work there? I'm still trying to figure out some of your backhanded compliments. In one post you support us, and the next you explain how we are inferior to NJI.

Jetblue has very little if anything in common with Netjets. They are a low cost carrier that is struggling to eek out a tiny profit. Netjets not only is profitable, but it has accelerated earnings and growth. If you want to compare us to JBLU, then we should be making 10X as much money as those pilots. If you want to make a pay by weight argument, then add up the weight of all the airplanes NJA operates.

 

[FAcFriend]

Actually, their job has everything in common with the operation of NJA. It was modeled after and paid for by NJA's operation. The operations are interchangeable and owned by the same company (NeJets Inc, Berkshire Hathaway).

Good point. And that reminds me of the comments made earlier that NJA will not open all the books to the negotiating team that the negotiating team would like to see.

Where should management draw the line? Should we ask to open the books to Geico? Dairy Queen? (this is not meant to be sarcastic) Netjets aviation is not a division but a wholly owned subsidiary of Net Jets Inc. Isnt it? (I maybe wrong here). Should the pilots be able to look at the books for all wholly owned subsidiaries?

And then, all wholly owned subsidiaries of which parent company, NJ Inc or Berkshire Hathaway?

Sometimes things are more complicated than one liners spread on both sides.

 

[Fozzy]

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[CE750Driver]

Dispatcher, you truly have shown your colors as a management toad. I tried to give you answers to some of your questions and you come of all emotional. By the way, I have a 4 year degree in Aviation business, so I will give my opinions on whatever I want. Given 4 years I might be able to teach you business basics 101, but I doubt it. Since your crass attitude ruined the intent of this thread, which was to have a logical, adult discusion.

Get back to work! Direct at Mach 92 and FL410, and Im takin extra fuel BEEEYOTCH! Guess what, if you dont file it, I can.

STMFD

 

[Traderd]

Dispatcher, you truly have shown your colors as a management toad. I tried to give you answers to some of your questions and you come of all emotional. By the way, I have a 4 year degree in Aviation business, so I will give my opinions on whatever I want. Given 4 years I might be able to teach you business basics 101, but I doubt it. Since your crass attitude ruined the intent of this thread, which was to have a logical, adult discusion.

Get back to work! Direct at Mach 92 and FL410, and Im takin extra fuel BEEEYOTCH! Guess what, if you dont file it, I can.

STMFD

How do you reconcile an intent to have a logical, adult discussion with your use of terms such as "BEEEYOTCH" and the use of "STMFD"?

 

[CE750Driver]

Logical discusion went out the window as soon as that tool started posting. That was my point of the post.

That was shown in my statement "since your crass attitude ruined the point of this post". Did you not see that?