NetJets' Captains need to get over themselves!

[o2bflyn]

Throught my career thus far it has always been the same thing. When I was an FO, I had to earn the CPT trust before I could fly the pax. When I was CPT, I made damn sure the FO was not going to fly like a 12 cargo pilot playing an arcade game (jerking the airplane around the sky).

Here is the bottom line in my eyes. If you (FO) don't think you are getting enough legs. Speak up.....grow a set. Stop pissing and moaning about it to message boards.

Personally, I am sick of people thinking the world owes them something because they "did this, or did that." What happened to earning your way. Gaining respect from your colleages. Stop complaining that "Captain Flyitall" is not giving you any legs...speak up. Stop complaining that " they owe me a call back.".....make the call happen for you because the truth is they don't owe you sh!t.


I am only in my lower 30's and I think my generation has a lot to learn about what it is "owed" in life.

 

[Hogprint]

<<<< I reject your view point wholly as it the perspective an Englishmen. Your country is backward and therefore no reasonable opinion could be expected to come forth. Your horse races are even run in a clockwise direction, thus proving how backward English thinking is.>>>>

Oomph - unfair!! You'll hit me with the Boston Tea Party next......

Still, at least we drive on the proper side of the road & have cars that don't use a super-tanker's load of fuel to get the parking lot at the Mall! And before you retaliate, note that Mr Ford's first decent car had the steering wheel in the middle!!

RM - all noted, but I was also basing my viewpoint on some of the less subtle & informed replies! Maybe I got hooked by the trolls!!

Obviously Mike your not a Top Gear fan!

 

[o2bflyn]

Obviously Mike your not a Top Gear fan!

That is a great show!!!!

 

[Crossky]

As an RJ CA outsider, I can see there is a a culture difference between the airlines and the frax. Perhaps because some CA's in the corp and 135 world who come to the frax were taught to have more caution in permitting new FO's to fly live legs.

Come to the regionals and you could fly (and land) half the flights, up to 86 people, a larger airplane, and for 1/2 of what you make now! Just a little fun comparison.

Seriously, this thread is 12 pages long because you're airing your dirty laudry here and NJ pilots are protecting their turf and repuptation. You could've posted on NJ's pilot board but as a probie you're being cautious - you've got a reputation to think about as well. The PIC advocates have piled it on a little excessively.

CA's should let you fly half the legs (IMO). If they don't, tough. But you should ask them why if it bugs the crap out of you.

If it's in NJ's ops manual that the CA and FO should swap legs, but your experience hasn't been that, well, that's unfortunate.

 

[gunfyter]

A long time ago, when a person could win a bid to upgrade sometimes within 6 months on the property -- The ops manual specified PIC flying pax from left seat and sic's flying the other legs to the maximum extent possible from the left seat....

Why? Because they wanted them to have left seat time for the soon to come upgrade.

Many people just stuck with the way things were done in the past .. but the reason no longer exists.

I don't think there are a bunch of pr*cks out there trying to cheat people out of stick time. Whenever I have offered the pax legs people have almost always said they preferred left seat to pax flying.

 

[Diesel]

Just get my cofffee and shut the F&*K up.










oh F*##k i'm back to being an FO.

 

[Crossky]

It's Veteran's Day today. If you're a Veteran, thank you for your service and sacrifice for our country.


Another thing someone pointed out is that we don't know the CA's side of the story, which is true.

I myself know that when I started out flying commuter T-props I was 29, had a thinner skin, and less maturity and experience than know. By experience I mean in dealing with conflict and resolution with others I worked closely with (pilots).

I've had FO's get testy with me when I don't let them land or takeoff at DCA when they have less than 100 hours. Tough, that's the regs and DCA can be a tough cookie. He got over it. This guy will too.

 

[av8trinabarrel]

Ha! I figured you'd be lurking in this thread somewhere.

Back to work junior!

Speaking of lurking..Is that you porter all dressed up like Stuey

 

[RNObased]

Personally, I am sick of people thinking the world owes them something because they "did this, or did that." What happened to earning your way. Gaining respect from your colleages. Stop complaining that "Captain Flyitall" is not giving you any legs...speak up. Stop complaining that " they owe me a call back.".....make the call happen for you because the truth is they don't owe you sh!t.


I am only in my lower 30's and I think my generation has a lot to learn about what it is "owed" in life.

It is called a inflated sense of entitlement. Didn't you realize that when you were born that the world owed you a 6 digit flying job and all the beer you can drink.

My brother-in-law who flies for a major says they have a name for this disorder. It is called S.N.A.P. it stands for Sensitive New Age Pilot, it comes from watching too much Oprah, or that is what some people believe.

 

[o2bflyn]

It is called a inflated sense of entitlement. Didn't you realize that when you were born that the world owed you a 6 digit flying job and all the beer you can drink.

My brother-in-law who flies for a major says they have a name for this disorder. It is called S.N.A.P. it stands for Sensitive New Age Pilot, it comes from watching too much Oprah, or that is what some people believe.

haha....that would explain it. Its a good thing I spent my time watching Dr. Phil. I am still a jerk, but I feel better about it.

 

[Mike Jenvey]

<<<< Obviously Mike you're not a Top Gear fan! >>>>

You couldn't be further from the truth - one of the best programmes on UK television!! Latest episode (this week) had the 3 guys driving 3 different 'Merican "muscle" cars, including doing one mile speed trials at Bonneville (170+ mph!!!) - & they all liked the cars!

Must have been the hot weather on the salt strip!!

Our Veterans' Day today too - nice coverage of Intrepid back in NY harbour.

 

[xpdriver]

Would it make you feel better if you could fly pax from an RJ or just be happy you are at the best aviation job in the world. Gold seal flight instructor,now thats funny..... Turns around TEB...

 

[CA1900]

Turns around TEB...

I thought they discontinued that procedure?

 

[fly4funcrj]

That procedure can only be flown by a netjets captain in the left seat while the f/o s not occupying the right seat. Said f/o must be in the back with the pax as to not disturb the highly decorated netjets captain.


Before you get your panties in a bunch, this is humor..

 

[o2bflyn]

That procedure can only be flown by a netjets captain in the left seat while the f/o s not occupying the right seat. Said f/o must be in the back with the pax as to not disturb the highly decorated netjets captain.


Before you get your panties in a bunch, this is humor..

LMAO.....great!