NetJets Application/Interview ?

[FAcFriend]

I interviewed another union wife recently and this is what she told me:
She likes that her husband works for a union for two reasons:
Health benefits and job security.
They have paid their dues and he has senority. She feels like the union does a great job representing them for health benefits.
The only drawback she was able to identify is that it is difficult for people to get fired and sometimes her husband has to work with people who dont do their job well and it is frustrating to him.

NJW- The talk on the board, since your offer, seems to be do not talk-
I will pass on your suggestion to speak with "official union PR". I would not want to jeopardize your standing.

I am sensing you are upset that your husband flies the rich and famous all day and you are not "flying in the same circles." so to speak.

thanks

 

[Starman]

I am sensing you are upset that your husband flies the rich and famous all day and you are not "flying in the same circles." so to speak.

For a supposed "writer", you're a pretty dense guy. What she's upset about is that her husband flys these folks around and without a second source of income, she and her husband could qualify for food stamps. We're not looking for parity with the owners, we just want to make a fair wage for our efforts. NetJets can afford it. The owners will pay it. Now run along, little management toady.

 

[Les Paul]

NJW- The talk on the board, since your offer, seems to be do not talk-
I will pass on your suggestion to speak with "official union PR". I would not want to jeopardize your standing.

Her "standing"? She couldn't care less about her standing because it involves "other people" and their opinion. Noodgejetwifey is so self centered that "other people" do not play a part in that equation.

I am sensing you are upset that your husband flies the rich and famous all day and you are not "flying in the same circles." so to speak.

BINGO!!

Les Paul

 

[netjetwife]

Reading me wrong

FAcFriend, I'm not sure where you got that opinion, but it isn't accurate at all. I'm quite satisfied w/my life, as far as the social circles we travel in. All very normal midde-class activities, I assure you, centered on family and home. Starman, understands the problem, no doubt because he shares it. We have no jealousy of the passengers; my husband shares the highlights of his flights and then we move on to other things. The huge disparity that makes us angry at the situation--labor/management conflict--- has nothing to do with the passengers. My family aspires to have the lifestyle of a professional, NOT of the rich and famous. I hope this clears up any misunderstanding, you and others, have.

Union advantages--I'd rate job security high on the list. Many companies provide good health benefits these days. I've heard complaints of not being able to get rid of poor performers, before. But those were in other fields. Pilots see that much less due to the checkrides and training---every 6 months at NetJets.

My husband made the offer to put you in touch w/Union PR pilots--I merely passed it along. He's a sharp guy; I trust his judgement. A PM would set things in motion and have no affect on my posting here at all. It is a standing invitation, available anytime, should you change your mind.

 

[FAcFriend]

NJW
I meant no offense and will temper my veiled attempts at aviation humor.

I have found most companies do not offer decent med plans today- higher costs, higher copays, HMO's, etc. Hence the other wife (admittedly not aviation) loves her health plan. She does live in a professional neighborhood, as yourself and is a union wife.

Further, Anne did explain there is a company cost to the job security issue and may effect why salary is so low and overtime available. In times of slow down instead of laying off, the company cuts overtime and everyone bears the burden. Most professionals (lawyers, drs., etc) do work more than the standard 40 hour weeks but are not paid OT. Salesmen travel 5 days a week and are not paid OT. They do not have the same job security. They do have a higher base salary. Again the trade off- Anne prefers the job security and OT pay when times are good.

I am interested in this open hositility of the union management relationship- I had the idea unions were outdated with our present federal oversight of work rules. Do all of you think management holds the same disdain for your union? Do all of you consider all employees who are non union to be management?

 

[FAcFriend]

Starman- Admittedly more of a management type than union, I am willing to try to understand. That said and having kissed the handsome prince years ago, I am no longer a toad.

 

[dime line]

Yo FAc Friend....If your really gonna bring into comparison........""Most professionals (lawyers, drs., etc) do work more than the standard 40 hour weeks but are not paid OT. Salesmen travel 5 days a week and are not paid OT.""

I don't think that you have a clue what your talking about. Most Doc's, and Lawyers own boats that the average Fractional Pilot could not even put gas in. So I'd like to understand you thoughts on teh comparison between Doc's Lawyers and the bottom paid pilots.

 

[Muddauber]

Union advantages--I'd rate job security high on the list.

I've tried to stay out of this, but when I see such naive thinking, I just gotta get involved.

Unions have done a wonderful job of providing security for pilots. IAM's Charlie Bryant killed Eastern, they've turned a good $200,000 dollar a year job at US Air into a $100,000 a year job - not to mention cutting the pension from nearly $100,000 to $28,000 if your lucky enough to not have to pay money back. But not to worry - US Air will go Chapter 7 in February. They managed list integration just peachy with the American/TWA merger - Oh! I forgot, they didn't and most of the TWA guys are gone. They really stood up for Northwest and UAL pilots when they needed them. If UAL still had a pension the pilots would just have to manage all that money when they retired and who wants to do that?

IBT has done such a bang-up job for you guys that you're trying to decertify them and you should - they've managed to help you to keep getting paid at Citation II pay rates long after the II's went away. Great. That's really dues money well spent. An added benefit is the way the unions try to rule by intimidation. It looks like WWF Slapdown on this board anytime one of you NJA guys doesn't spout the party line.

Muddy

 

[MED]

I've tried to stay out of this, but when I see such naive thinking, I just gotta get involved.

Oh! I forgot, they didn't and most of the TWA guys are gone.

Most of the TWA guys are on the left seat of regional jets keeping their seniority pay. Which is about 16year CA pay.

 

[zman300]

Ah, but you speak as a wise man!

Well put. Job security from a union; what a freakin' joke. NJA should go on strike, send the owners looking elsewhere for their transportation needs, and run NJ broke. See what kind of job security you get when there is NO company, or the company suffers enough to have to furlough people. My major airline buddies are intimately aware of the results.

I hope the NJA folks can work something reasonable out, because nobody's going to come out smelling like roses if things continue as they have. I also wish, these bitter NJA guys would quit hijacking perfectly innocent posts! Start a new thread for your bitching for goodness' sake! Peace.

I've tried to stay out of this, but when I see such naive thinking, I just gotta get involved.

Unions have done a wonderful job of providing security for pilots. IAM's Charlie Bryant killed Eastern, they've turned a good $200,000 dollar a year job at US Air into a $100,000 a year job - not to mention cutting the pension from nearly $100,000 to $28,000 if your lucky enough to not have to pay money back. But not to worry - US Air will go Chapter 7 in February. They managed list integration just peachy with the American/TWA merger - Oh! I forgot, they didn't and most of the TWA guys are gone. They really stood up for Northwest and UAL pilots when they needed them. If UAL still had a pension the pilots would just have to manage all that money when they retired and who wants to do that?

IBT has done such a bang-up job for you guys that you're trying to decertify them and you should - they've managed to help you to keep getting paid at Citation II pay rates long after the II's went away. Great. That's really dues money well spent. An added benefit is the way the unions try to rule by intimidation. It looks like WWF Slapdown on this board anytime one of you NJA guys doesn't spout the party line.

Muddy

 

[GEXDriver]

I've tried to stay out of this, but when I see such naive thinking, I just gotta get involved.

Oh! I forgot, they didn't and most of the TWA guys are gone.

Most of the TWA guys are on the left seat of regional jets keeping their seniority pay. Which is about 16year CA pay.

Hey AA717, there's a guy over here on the fractional board saying that you really weren't furloughed from TWA after 17 years and that you're really flying a regional jet, not a corporate G550.

 

[gunfyter]

IBT has done such a bang-up job for you guys that you're trying to decertify them and you should - they've managed to help you to keep getting paid at Citation II pay rates long after the II's went away. Great. That's really dues money well spent. An added benefit is the way the unions try to rule by intimidation. It looks like WWF Slapdown on this board anytime one of you NJA guys doesn't spout the party line.
Muddy

Mud man... its management that has kept the pay low and they scared the negotiators into believing they can't afford to pay more. Still these fools say there is No Money. But the 82% ers who voted no don't buy it.

If there is no money it certainly isn't because they have been paying pilots.

 

[dime line]

Hey Muddauber....What Union do you belong to again........

 

[dime line]

hey Zman When your done sucking uncle sams thumb, and join us in the real (civillian)world, ............

I also wish, these bitter NJA guys would quit hijacking perfectly innocent posts! Start a new thread for your bitching for goodness' sake! Peace.


I bet you will understand why NJ pilots are bitching.

 

[Muddauber]

Hey Muddauber....What Union do you belong to again........

Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association which is a non profit employees association - how about you?


And like many here, I don't look to SWAPA to do jack sierra for me, it's just a condition of employment.

Muddy