NetJets Application/Interview ?

[FAcFriend]

Starman- Admittedly more of a management type than union, I am willing to try to understand. That said and having kissed the handsome prince years ago, I am no longer a toad.

 

[dime line]

Yo FAc Friend....If your really gonna bring into comparison........""Most professionals (lawyers, drs., etc) do work more than the standard 40 hour weeks but are not paid OT. Salesmen travel 5 days a week and are not paid OT.""

I don't think that you have a clue what your talking about. Most Doc's, and Lawyers own boats that the average Fractional Pilot could not even put gas in. So I'd like to understand you thoughts on teh comparison between Doc's Lawyers and the bottom paid pilots.

 

[Muddauber]

Union advantages--I'd rate job security high on the list.

I've tried to stay out of this, but when I see such naive thinking, I just gotta get involved.

Unions have done a wonderful job of providing security for pilots. IAM's Charlie Bryant killed Eastern, they've turned a good $200,000 dollar a year job at US Air into a $100,000 a year job - not to mention cutting the pension from nearly $100,000 to $28,000 if your lucky enough to not have to pay money back. But not to worry - US Air will go Chapter 7 in February. They managed list integration just peachy with the American/TWA merger - Oh! I forgot, they didn't and most of the TWA guys are gone. They really stood up for Northwest and UAL pilots when they needed them. If UAL still had a pension the pilots would just have to manage all that money when they retired and who wants to do that?

IBT has done such a bang-up job for you guys that you're trying to decertify them and you should - they've managed to help you to keep getting paid at Citation II pay rates long after the II's went away. Great. That's really dues money well spent. An added benefit is the way the unions try to rule by intimidation. It looks like WWF Slapdown on this board anytime one of you NJA guys doesn't spout the party line.

Muddy

 

[MED]

I've tried to stay out of this, but when I see such naive thinking, I just gotta get involved.

Oh! I forgot, they didn't and most of the TWA guys are gone.

Most of the TWA guys are on the left seat of regional jets keeping their seniority pay. Which is about 16year CA pay.

 

[zman300]

Ah, but you speak as a wise man!

Well put. Job security from a union; what a freakin' joke. NJA should go on strike, send the owners looking elsewhere for their transportation needs, and run NJ broke. See what kind of job security you get when there is NO company, or the company suffers enough to have to furlough people. My major airline buddies are intimately aware of the results.

I hope the NJA folks can work something reasonable out, because nobody's going to come out smelling like roses if things continue as they have. I also wish, these bitter NJA guys would quit hijacking perfectly innocent posts! Start a new thread for your bitching for goodness' sake! Peace.

I've tried to stay out of this, but when I see such naive thinking, I just gotta get involved.

Unions have done a wonderful job of providing security for pilots. IAM's Charlie Bryant killed Eastern, they've turned a good $200,000 dollar a year job at US Air into a $100,000 a year job - not to mention cutting the pension from nearly $100,000 to $28,000 if your lucky enough to not have to pay money back. But not to worry - US Air will go Chapter 7 in February. They managed list integration just peachy with the American/TWA merger - Oh! I forgot, they didn't and most of the TWA guys are gone. They really stood up for Northwest and UAL pilots when they needed them. If UAL still had a pension the pilots would just have to manage all that money when they retired and who wants to do that?

IBT has done such a bang-up job for you guys that you're trying to decertify them and you should - they've managed to help you to keep getting paid at Citation II pay rates long after the II's went away. Great. That's really dues money well spent. An added benefit is the way the unions try to rule by intimidation. It looks like WWF Slapdown on this board anytime one of you NJA guys doesn't spout the party line.

Muddy

 

[GEXDriver]

I've tried to stay out of this, but when I see such naive thinking, I just gotta get involved.

Oh! I forgot, they didn't and most of the TWA guys are gone.

Most of the TWA guys are on the left seat of regional jets keeping their seniority pay. Which is about 16year CA pay.

Hey AA717, there's a guy over here on the fractional board saying that you really weren't furloughed from TWA after 17 years and that you're really flying a regional jet, not a corporate G550.

 

[gunfyter]

IBT has done such a bang-up job for you guys that you're trying to decertify them and you should - they've managed to help you to keep getting paid at Citation II pay rates long after the II's went away. Great. That's really dues money well spent. An added benefit is the way the unions try to rule by intimidation. It looks like WWF Slapdown on this board anytime one of you NJA guys doesn't spout the party line.
Muddy

Mud man... its management that has kept the pay low and they scared the negotiators into believing they can't afford to pay more. Still these fools say there is No Money. But the 82% ers who voted no don't buy it.

If there is no money it certainly isn't because they have been paying pilots.

 

[dime line]

Hey Muddauber....What Union do you belong to again........

 

[dime line]

hey Zman When your done sucking uncle sams thumb, and join us in the real (civillian)world, ............

I also wish, these bitter NJA guys would quit hijacking perfectly innocent posts! Start a new thread for your bitching for goodness' sake! Peace.


I bet you will understand why NJ pilots are bitching.

 

[Muddauber]

Hey Muddauber....What Union do you belong to again........

Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association which is a non profit employees association - how about you?


And like many here, I don't look to SWAPA to do jack sierra for me, it's just a condition of employment.

Muddy

 

[dime line]

You cant be that naieve to think that your Union (no matter how you spin the word, that is what it is) is not helping your live at Southwest. I currently fly for a fractional that changes the rules on a daily biases, and I cant do anything about it.

..........I don't look to SWAPA to do jack sierra for me..........
again, like it or not there helping behind the scenes


and non-profit, for profit, whatever profit, they all do the same thing.

 

[Diesel]

you can bet that mud has a different tone about swapa when they violated his rest or he has a grievance. then hes saying i don't expect swapa to do jack. oh wait all those work rules that the senior guys at swa worked hard for but mud wants no part of it. yeah right. he likes the rules just fine.

 

[Diesel]

oh and by the way dr's and lawyers make a ton of ot on the side. for lawyers its called billable hours.

i fly a king air on the side for a doctor. its his extra time with the practice that makes it possible to do weekend trips and own a couple of homes.

its funny how this forum has turned into non flying pilots bitching about the job than the ones that do it day in and day out.

 

[netjetwife]

Muddy, my "naive" comment on job security wasn't intended to apply to any other situation other my husband's. If you will notice, it was said directly to 'Friend in relation to another wife's perspective, sighting 2 advantages--health care and job security.

Zman, I do hope you were joking when you said-- "I also wish, these bitter NJA guys would quit hijacking perfectly innocent posts! Start a new thread for your bitching for goodness' sake!" Quote. Consider that the first word in the title of the thread is "NetJets". I take exception to the highjacking assertion, but fully concur with the bitterness claim.... They have a lot to be bitter about.

'Friend, to answer your questions: Work rules that govern flying are much more complicated than those for the average job. Pilots need an advocate when questions arise. There are many other employees at NetJets outside of management--sales, customer service, scheduling, etc. I, personally, find it hard to believe that the company would have much respect for the failed MEC that they were able to steamroll. The new leadership is a different story as they are already finding out.

 

[Hawkered]

That's why NJI don't even have a union I guess? Because they just happen to be the only employee group in the world that gets along?

Hey Netjet Wife, it is time for you to go away. You're not an elected official. You don't work here. Your rantings and dissemination of "information" probably just added fuel to the fire in a recent conflict at work. Now there's a guy without a job.

You have taken away a tremendous amount from this discussion with your attempts to dominate. Perhaps Theresa Heinz Kerry and you could start a Senate bid!

 

[dime line]

Hawkered........That's why NJI don't even have a union I guess? Because they just happen to be the only employee group in the world that gets along?


No they just have to many people like you!

 

[netjetwife]

Hawkered, no I'm not an elected official. Are any of us? No I don't work HERE, at Flightinfo. I wasn't aware that any of us posting HERE were actually employees. If perchance, you meant NJ, we all know that my husband is a pilot there and that I post on this board to discuss the issues that are directly affecting my life.

I share a volunteer position w/my husband; the new leadership has welcomed the involvement of spouses. Looking thru my collection of email and PMs, shows lots of support from pilots and people inside of NJ and outside of the group. Yes, I know that guy (we have exchanged emails for months) and the situation is deplorable! Should he, and/or any of the other pilots that I admire greatly, ask me to stop posting here, I would comply. Such has not been the case--sorry. This new attack is as saddening as it is baffling; I thought we had made progress.

 

[Hawkered]

Dimeline,

Perhaps you mean "too" many people like me. If by that definition you also mean: people that show up to work, don't complain, upgrade at the first possible chance, engage the customer in polite conversation, but still know when to hold their own counsel...then yes, I am like one of the "evil" ones you speak of!

 

[netjetwife]

Your description, Hawkered, could fit most pilots at NJA. Union building and a discussion of the issues are a separate matter from how one performs on the job.

In noting the proper use of to and too, let's not leave out don't and doesn't--hmm? Just a gentle reminder, but it should be--NJI DOESN'T even have a union.

Now back to a civil discussion of the issues...

 

[RJFlyer]

Here's the issue again, because I am still curious to get as much information as possible.

I emailed a resume, and was quickly sent an application. I'm guessing that's a good sign?

I filled it out and sent it in - are people getting calls for interviews, and if so, how long between sending in the app and interviewing (generally speaking)?

I'm pretty psyched about the idea of possibly getting out of the regionals and into the fractional or corporate world.

Also, if I were to get an interview, does anyone have any tips/pointers/gouge?

Thanks again for any input to these questions.