NetJets 2nd Qtr Earnings

[Helmsalee]

No, Raj is #1.

 

[fischman]

I can't possibly be the #1 NJA hater... Maybe 2nd or 3rd.... Maybe Sokol is the one screwing you..Literally.. I'm impressed, his crotch must smell like roses with a hint of ball sweat flavored koolaid.

There, now I've had my fix, feel much better now.Thanks.

And FTR, I've never said the place was gonna be shutdown, or the doors were closing. Or hoped that. I apologize if you take FI this seriously. I on the other hand post for pure enjoyment and in no way, shape or form have a need to defend any thing posted on here. I'm sorry if your life revolves around an anonomous web page.

That's funny.

 

[rajflyboy]

Please. Do yourself, our owners, and the company a favor. Don't come back.

You need to look at yourself in the mirror when you say this crap.

 

[RP170]

...says the #1 doom and gloom NetJets hater. :erm:

Says the #1 kool-aid drinking NetJets lover. CRJ vs. Fisch in the Octagon is what I propose. I put ALL of my money on CRJ. It wouldn't be pretty (or close).

 

[gutshotdraw]

You need to look at yourself in the mirror when you say this crap.

With apologies to Dear Wormer: "Bitter, lazy and angry is no way to go through life son."

 

[fischman]

Says the #1 kool-aid drinking NetJets lover. CRJ vs. Fisch in the Octagon is what I propose. I put ALL of my money on CRJ. It wouldn't be pretty (or close).

You appear for have forgotten how awesome I am...

 

[rajflyboy]

With apologies to Dear Wormer: "Bitter, lazy and angry is no way to go through life son."

I'm not bitter but I do expect a service for the $$ I spend on something. Whatever that something may be.

 

[Flynetjets]

In my opinion, I don't think you will see recalls for many years. Most people do not realize, the current 495 on the street were NOT hired for aircraft we currently have on the property, they were hired for FUTURE deliveries in 2009 and 2010. If you take a look at the number of pilots and the number of planes, the current pilot to aircraft ratio is around 6.6.

With the company's current plans to continue to decrease fleet size, I do not believe that we will see recalls until the number of aircraft exceed the number of aircraft that we had on the property in 2009.

Just my opinion, but the numbers do speak for themselves.

 

[Pervis]

Just my opinion, but the numbers do speak for themselves.

Look at the company provided numbers for a/c and active pilots on the VSL. That works out to be 5.17 pilots per a/c. Those are the company provided numbers, so if anything, we are short handed per the CBA. There are several fleets in disposal, but until they are sold/gone, the numbers are in our favor for some recalls. Will that happen? Unlikely. We'll probably defer judgement to the same lawyers that sided with company on the per diem issue.

 

[Flynetjets]

Disregard...

 

[Flynetjets]

Wait.. I stand corrected... you are correct on the numbers... my bad, my apologies.

 

[Pervis]

There may be other factors in the ratio, so I could be way off. Total aircraft may be counting aircraft parked for appearance, for sale, etc., but company claims we don't have jets simply sitting around, so who knows? The VSL, on the other hand, includes management pilots who don't fly a whole lot. I wonder if they were removed from the equation along with jets that are parked would change the numbers even more in our favor.

 

[RP170]

Recalls won't happen for a long long time. Guys are still showing at home according to a union rep.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Recalls won't happen for a long long time. Guys are still showing at home according to a union rep.

Then why do I have no ass left? Flown it off this week and still have three days to go.

Oh, and I talked with an NJE crew in Athens this morning (yesterday?). Their flying is up too. Not saying we'll recall any time soon but things do seem to be getting busier.

 

[jtf]

They are just following the instructions of the bean counters. They are doing their best to work the hell out of those on the road so that they can save money on airlines, hotels, per diem, meals, etc.... by leaving pilots at home while they can. They are also seeing how hard they can work us before we cry uncle so they can more precisely plan on when they need to recall. They want to know how productive we really can be. Those who don't cry uncle and fatigue when they are tired are not helping the cause and they are ensuring that they will be working their asses off for their entire career if they don't force the company to present reasonable schedules when they do make things impossible in a safety-wise way. I'm not saying we need to just F-bomb them because we don't like the schedule, but if you have any doubt that you are not in good shape to fly, you HAVE to make the call.