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[IFlyOU]

Sorry, we see this personally every day. Hot stby while vendors depart with our pax.

i've seen many cases where crew members will DNIF on their first day out after they update their pagers before their 3am show. we've sold off a LOT of flights because of that. if you've known about your show for 4 days (or more with the 7/7 schedule), then you should know to prepare yourself. don't always expect to rot in the FBO...

crew rot is more common if you're on the 7/7 schedule. everyone goes home and comes back on the same days. we're doing the best we can with what we've got...

 

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by dsptchrNJA
I can trust the company to keep their end of the deal - they have a proven track record. They have never threatened my job - I can't say the same for pilots anymore. There is no telling how far you will go to get your demands... that is the real threat to this company.

Your not only biting THE hand that feeds you - your biting all the hands that feed you. For what? So you can upgrade your Explorer for Navigator? In everyone of your examples it's interesting you always use STARTING pay. Wonder why. Is it you've been here long enough to realized when you put your time in the rewards will eventually come? Isn't that how our parents did it? Not until our generation did anyone expect to live like their parents curent level during our first 10 years of career. We are the "got to have it NOW!" generation - "or else I'll make you give it to me". Nice - let's teach our kids that and see where it gets them.

Again - fair pay is good. Good pay is better. Threatening the existence of the company you work for - is bad. Don't play the victim - it's not working. You work for a company that has unique challenges and don't forget - they are STILL new at this - we're still learning to walk. You expected what? Southwest? Delta? COTA? Don't bother getting a job there - you will still be miserable.

That was probably the most disgusting post on this message board. You want to make your life better. Spend about 20k learn to be a pilot, then instruct till you nose bleeds, then fly some craphole freight company and risk your life every night, move on to NJA where we spend half our life away from home. I'm home for two days just enought time to get my expense report done some laundry and get right back on the road. Oh my wife. Yeah she's on the road too. Looks like we won't see each other this week. Maybe in a couple of weeks. Just another day on the road eating a cold meal that was hot a couple of hours ago trying to eat it during a leg that i've got 4 more.

Enjoy your night at home with your family and in your bed. Douche

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Bohica.....

"Management's plan is to turn coworkers against us. Don't help them." -El Chupa.

Couldnt agree with you more...... this thread is a direct result of the old classic whipsawing of employee groups I've seen at other "Flying Establishments".

Our best weapon, and this goes to you, Mr. Dispatcher, is to be educated on both sides of the story. Now cut the crap and get back to work!!

Oh, yeah, I just got the message, Dispatches computer system went down again..... oopsy.

 

[Fozzy]

as long as there are people lined up at the employment door willing to take that job management probably has a hard time seeing the need to pay more.

Fido,
To bad this is not the case.

dsptchrNJA,

Are you sure you were not one of the former MEC? Because you are preaching the same crap they did to the Membership during the road shows.

 

[dsptchrnja]

The more I read your guys posts the more you show how little you know about the company and does nothing to make me want to take up your cause. All company information (propaganda) aside I can see with my own experiences and understanding alone that you guys aren't even close to knowing how this company makes business decisions. You taking sell-offs personally as if it was an afront to the pilot force is a joke. Anytime a conversation like this turns personal I know you've run out of inteligent things to say. I won't join you.

I was here long before dispatch started too, and I won't even reply to half the other crap because it's not worth it. Stick to your conspiracy theories as long as you want. Trash the company as long as it makes you feel good. Go ahead show your true character while enjoying your anonymity. I know too many good people, pilots included, at this company to let you ruin their name - but your doing a good job for everyone else who reads your threads. If my opinions are harsh than maybe I'm speaking up for those who are really scared that you are going to unneccesarily ruin their livlihood. I'm responding to the "who cares about anyone else - what have we got to lose" mentality demonstrated earlier in this post by people who could give a rip about this company.

LR45JI was right. We've at least got to respect each other because at the end of the day we are on the same team. I have removed my comment about the " vehicle upgrade" with due respect to those who have more appropriate motives.

 

[slowto250]

The more I read your guys posts the more you show how little you know about the company and does nothing to make me want to take up your cause. All company information (propaganda) aside I can see with my own experiences and understanding alone that you guys aren't even close to knowing how this company makes business decisions. You taking sell-offs personally as if it was an afront to the pilot force is a joke. Anytime a conversation like this turns personal I know you've run out of inteligent things to say. I won't join you.

I was here long before dispatch started too, and I won't even reply to half the other crap because it's not worth it. Stick to your conspiracy theories as long as you want. Trash the company as long as it makes you feel good. Go ahead show your true character while enjoying your anonymity. I know too many good people, pilots included, at this company to let you ruin their name - but your doing a good job for everyone else who reads your threads. If my opinions are harsh than maybe I'm speaking up for those who are really scared that you are going to unneccesarily ruin their livlihood. I'm responding to the "who cares about anyone else - what have we got to lose" mentality demonstrated earlier in this post by people who could give a rip about this company.

LR45JI was right. We've at least got to respect each other because at the end of the day we are on the same team. I have removed my comment about the " vehicle upgrade" with due respect to those who have more appropriate motives.

Yeah. Like upgrading from potted meat.....to spam.

 

[I-R-DXR]

I must say we have a few pilots here who dont think too highly of my little group. Thats OK you are allowed your opinion.

If anything you have said was true what did you do about it? Ill tell you flat out if you find an error that should have been caught do 2 things:

First call your Dispatcher to get it corrected

Second - Call your ACP to advise him/her of the error.

Minor $hit aside. If you find a safety / Reg error then tell the DXR / ACP. I assure you your ACP will notify the DXR Manager.

And yes something WILL be done about it.

I have a very destinct feeling you have MAYBE one or two bad instances that forever tarnish the view of a Dispatcher. Have you ever sat behind a Dispatcher in the casino? Ive given a few briefings in my day - Id be glad to show you around.

El Chup-

And now we have the opportunity to correct this error by renegotiating.

So what you are saying is YOU made the error in taking the job but YOU will correct the mistake by forcing the company to pay what YOU want.

Can you see some of the reasons why the middle man is getting scared?

Some Dude-

Maybe you should thank me for your job. It was the pilots who fought to get a dispatch department set up at eja/nja. You wouldn't be here with out us. However you do not need to be here for us. We filed our flight plans before we can do it again.

Not sure if I have the pilot group to thank for my job - If so THANK YOU. You bring up a good point and one of the reasons Im on this board. If the pilots new contract lets say over extends the company budget by say 30 mil a year. What department is the most costly and liquid? See your quote above...

NJA CPT-

And as you chose to ignore in my last post, the "third party" ADMITTED he had a "limited understanding" of the fractional ownership model.

Question - Did the MEC counter with its own auditor?
Thanks

LR45JI-

No one .........respects........... no one

Dont let some of the outspoken ones taint your image of ANY NetJet worker. I always try to give that Pilot on the other line whatever I can give him. I am curtious and respectfull. I cant remember the last time a Pilot was directly nasty to me personally. Yea he has been RUDE AS HELL to me at times. One look at the timeline and I understand why - and I let him vent. Better me than the customer right?

Diesel-

Enjoy your night at home with your family and in your bed. Douche

I do. I became a Disptcher because I could come home every night. You knew full well that becoming a pilot you were not coming home every night. By the post I quoted of you it seems you may have lost your love of flying. If its your current job that did this then please get out while you can. I hope you find it again someday.

Slowto250
Hey I like SPAM


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[PGH STEEL]

I'm just going to take a shot in the dark here but I bet dsptchrNJA is getting paid what his job is worth!!!

 

[Some Dude]

Still noone wants to debate the true Berkshire Hathaway financial reports that show us making millions and providing the money to keep Netjets Europe afloat.

Dispatcher just wants to believe the crap propaganda from Boisture. Look at the reports you will see the company is lying to you and everyone at "Fort Fumble." We made millions even after all the waste. Yet you don't want to take the time to educate yourself.
The fact that you don't think that RTS would never lie to you and that he ( the company ) has a proven track record is just plain stupid, or it shows that you haven't been here very long.

I truely hope that you and the rest of the personel in CMH get the money that you deserve. (Except for Owner Services because they are nothing but liers). Educate yourself then you may get that raise at your next review.
Rts said he wanted to make our jobs the best in the industry even after 10 plus years at NetJets I still won't make what a first your captain makes at a corporate flight department. It's time for me to get mine. If it means shutting this place down then go ahead. It might be the career change I was looking for.

One more thing can you really trust RTS after he allowed the schedulers to accept gifts and kickbacks from some loser pilots for better schedules? The schedulers should have been fired and the "A team" should have been fired long ago.

 

[El Chupacabra]

scared

Can you see some of the reasons why the middle man is getting scared?



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FEAR NOT. I see exactly why. That was the company's strategy in their response to 6S that was parroted in this thread. Its the same strategy airline managements have used for decades. FEAR is exactly what they intended. They need a new playbook.

 

[I-R-DXR]

If it means shutting this place down then go ahead. It might be the career change I was looking for.

You are one of the most if not THE most unprofessional pilot I have ever come across. A word of advise. Dont ever say that in the flight center

You sir are an A$$

 

[Some Dude]

Hey clown man is that a threat? If shutting down this place is what it takes then so what? RTS and Boisture PROMISED you that nobody in the flight center would be laid off. So, why are you scared of us striking? You might just get a paid vacation. I have been supporting the growth of this company with my substandard wages for too long. You have too. Maybe you guys should try to get your fair share of the pie.

I don't go to sleep at night worrying if RTS or Buffet are going to go broke just to pay me standard industry wages. If you really want to help the company then why don't you take a pay cut, or no raise at all. Didn't think so. What the company didn't tell you is at my years with the company I was actually going to take a pay cut if the last contract proposal passed.

You guys don't have a clue as to the level of professionalism that myself and the crews provide every day to our owners. Most of our time is fixing all the screw ups in the day from Columbus. I guess that is why the owners rate the flight crews level of service as More than Excellent. They certainly don't say that about "Fort Fumble." That is probably not your fault at all but it is a direct reflection of the grade school management team that we have in place.

If you guys don't educate yourselves to what is going on in this company than you will never get what you deserve.

 

[Fracster]

dsptchrNJA represents the mentality and logic by which NetJets operates. Appoint someone to a position for which they are hardly qualified or capable of completing simply due to time in service or based on a relationship.

NJA dispatch operates with the same efficiency and effectiveness as management.

At NJA you will be dispatched with not enough fuel, to a closed airport, a closed runway, with improper/incorrect notams, into severe turbulence/icing, told your airplane can make it non-stop when as a pilot we know we clearly can't.
These are all examples that have happened to me!!!!!

Management operates under the same principle. It is clearly obvious why dsptchrNJA feels the way he/she does. We won't change his/her opinion.
You can't change a lemming and well all know what happens to them.

 

[I-R-DXR]

Hey clown man is that a threat?

No threat just a word of advice. You try that in the flight center and all hell will break loose.

If shutting down this place is what it takes then so what?

Thus the reason you are unprofessional. Wonder why people turn against the union? Easy just give the impression you are holding a gun to the companies head to get what you want, thus threating the lives of thousands of their families.

Maybe you guys should try to get your fair share of the pie.

I accepted a job here at a pay I could live with.

If you really want to help the company then why don't you take a pay cut, or no raise at all.

For several years I HAVE entered my annual review with the thought of zero pay raise to help the company. Stability is more important to see than pay right now.

You guys don't have a clue as to the level of professionalism that myself and the crews provide every day to our owners.

I surely hope you do provide a higher level of the professionalism to the customer. You sure as hell don't seem to care/give any to any non pilot/owner.

Fracster-

At NJA you will be dispatched with not enough fuel, to a closed airport, a closed runway, with improper/incorrect notams, into severe turbulence/icing, told your airplane can make it non-stop when as a pilot we know we clearly can't.

Like I said before anytime you are in the casino look me up. Id be glad to teach you flight planning. I can not begin to tell you the screwups Ive caught our pilots doing - and I WONT. No one is perfect. Errors happen thus the reason for two eyes on the release right? Like I said in a previous post what did you do about it?


-with not enough fuel
Thats is relative to you. Not enough for you is too much for another. If it doesnt have enough juice the computer will spit an error at you. Yes its based of forecast winds so when Im flight planning you north via GRB to avoid the Jetstream and you accept a direct guess what? Min fuel and turbulence.

-to a closed airport, a closed runway,
Examples please. OH and did you contact the ACP?

-with improper/incorrect notams,
The NOTAM system NJ uses is a feed from Jepp so if an error occurs please contact them.

-into severe turbulence/icing,
Forecasting this is difficult at best. Your release is done up to 4 hours prior to departure. Things change. If you feel the weather is not friendly to your route call your Dispatcher to discuss an alternate route of flight.

-airplane can make it non-stop when as a pilot we know we clearly can't
If I do a fight plan and it makes it with a level of extra fuel then I Release it. If the PIC calls to break the flight its because he is not comfortable with the fuel/distance. His/Her call all the way. I have had way too many times that I have broken a flight up just so the Cpt. can flight direct and I/Dispatch look bad. I let the Cpt. decide to stop - so does most of the department - His choice.

Im not on this board to flame, or troll. I want to make sure the middle man is heard. No I have not taken sides in this fight. Each side has its kool aid. I prefer to stay out of the fight cause the middle man never has all the info. Comments like "Some Dude" make it difficult to stay on the sidelines. "Fracster" doesn't bother me. He hates the Dispatch department - and that is ok with me.


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[El Chupacabra]

You are not helping us at all by attacking coworkers.

But did you know that If every one flew a couple thousand feet lower on every flight... and every crew averaged 500 hours per year... at the present cost of fuel... each crew would have extra fuel costs of $100,000 per year.

Multiply that by 1000 crews and you have $100 Million in EXTRA fuel costs per yr.

Flying 4000 ft lower would double that and I am not that big a fan of wearing an O2 mask for 4 hours straight which you must do above FL410 on 91 flights and above FL350 on 135 legs. I am not sure how many are willing to continue doing so just to save the company $200million a yr. $200 Million is about twice what the entire payroll is for Pilots now.

You have to realize that pilot salaries is not a very significant cost.

If we continue to be underpaid, enthusiasm will continue to plummet. As you can see this has dragged out too long and some of my fellow aviators are losing it.

Accepting the Salaries the company said was all they could afford in the last TA would have been disasterous for this company. We can not afford to pay pilots here less than our counterparts in Corporate Aviation.

As you can see if you go back and read the threads over the last few years, we are Ridiculed, by those people for accepting such below standard pay. I don't want to have to be EMBARRASSED by telling someone who I work for... Anymore.

The cost of not producing a salary scale competitive with NBAA standards is for more costly than the payraise we seek.