Netjet billboard @ TEB

[Gulfstream 200]

Hey El Chup:


If you could have made 120K more at Citation Shares or 60K more as a bus driver why did you sign up at Netjets?


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[El Chupacabra]

I have an idea. Lets everybody (VPs to office folks) work for NJA SIC pay. So Uncle Scrooge and Mr Marley can make their 7% profit.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Hey El Chup:


If you could have made 120K more at Citation Shares or 60K more as a bus driver why did you sign up at Netjets?


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If I knew it would take this long to get the contract done I would have left. We have always seemed to be 6 months away from "Kick ass" pay for years now. Yes I could have made the $120K at CS I turned down the offer over 5 years ago. So only now that I make almost as much as their starting pay it does not make sense to go there. I am one month away from exceeding that pay by a couple thousand.

 

[I-R-DXR]

This claim by the company only goes to demonstrate how low the Pilot pay is. If they can give annual payraises that large yet even after that large raise , the average Captains pay at NJA would need to be RAISED an additional 33% just to equal the STARTING pay at one of our competitors Citation Shares.

Remember he said:

Don't get me wrong - fair pay for crews is what everyone wants.

The statement in question was how much year was the payraise you get? Did your pay raise stop when the contract became ammendable?


Also his statement:

Economics 101: The Employer is the risk-taker. Employees exist to serve the needs of the company, not the other way around.

If that hurts, then either someone misled you or your expectations got distorted along the way.

I took my job because they made me an offer I could accept and support my family with. You MUST had done the same. This whole union-pilot-strike ordeal seems as if you took a job that paid a low wage then with your union as a tool are now forcing the company to pay a wage it does not want to. (or maybe cant)

I understand you folks want more pay - I want a happy crew to work with (believe me I do).

Am I the only one who sees it in this way or am I wrong?

If all the crews on NJ would quit tomorrow would a slew of crews take the job for the same pay? Honest question here guys cause if the answer is yes - That is where your trouble lies.

 

[I-R-DXR]

El Chup-

Sorry for your loss but its seems you took a chance and took the job based off promises.

 

[I-R-DXR]

NJA CPT

Wonder what was wrong with the NBAA and fractional industry salary info they already had?

Can you please enlighten me.

By saying NBAA pay does that mean the same as Corporate Flight Department pay?

Thanks

 

[h25b]

If I knew it would take this long to get the contract done I would have left. We have always seemed to be 6 months away from "Kick ass" pay for years now. Yes I could have made the $120K at CS I turned down the offer over 5 years ago. So only now that I make almost as much as their starting pay it does not make sense to go there. I am one month away from exceeding that pay by a couple thousand.

This is the most common mistake made by pilots in terms of career planning. A wise man told me once NEVER to stick it out somewhere hoping things will change for the better. I fell victim to this one and stayed somewhere way to long while turning down other offers. No such thing as loyalty anymore (either way)...

Do what is best FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, don't dilute yourself in to thinking that things are going to improve that dramatically even after you get your contract. Typically the chest thumping ultra-pro-union types like "Chup" will be just as militant after the contract as they were just before. It'll just be about some other issue. Doesn't matter anyway, he'll probably never go anywhere else anyway.

 

[x402]

As long as we're throwing out flame bait.


Where's my release?

Sorry, dispatch is busy surfing the web.

 

[I-R-DXR]

As long as we're throwing out flame bait.


Where's my release?

Sorry, dispatch is busy surfing the web.

LOL

Sorry guys but the flightinfo board has the "Red Screen of Death". Nogo at NJ.

 

[I-R-DXR]

Or what about my standard answer:



"Have you checked the fax machine for paper sir"


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[IFlyOU]

Or what about my standard answer:



"Have you checked the fax machine for paper sir"


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yeah, sometimes CS will send brief sheets and dispatch will send the release at the same time and it'll screw up the fax machine.

CS can tell you if the dispatch release is there. a lot of times, the release is there waiting or on its way (unless it's an hour or two before the flight). this accounts for about 50% or more of all of the calls to dispatch (just an estimate)

 

[x402]

It's amazing the FBO's don't surcharge us for all the paper we use.

 

[I-R-DXR]

We kill many trees

 

[dsptchrnja]

The company has already promised that there will be NO lay offs if there is strike. Having trouble believing that statement? I wonder why?

I can trust the company to keep their end of the deal - they have a proven track record. They have never threatened my job - I can't say the same for pilots anymore. There is no telling how far you will go to get your demands... that is the real threat to this company.

Your not only biting THE hand that feeds you - your biting all the hands that feed you. In everyone of your examples it's interesting you always use STARTING pay. Wonder why. Is it you've been here long enough to realized when you put your time in the rewards will eventually come? Isn't that how our parents did it? Not until our generation did anyone expect to live like their parents curent level during our first 10 years of career. We are the "got to have it NOW!" generation - "or else I'll make you give it to me". Nice - let's teach our kids that and see where it gets them.

Again - fair pay is good. Good pay is better. Threatening the existence of the company you work for - is bad. Don't play the victim - it's not working. You work for a company that has unique challenges and don't forget - they are STILL new at this - we're still learning to walk. You expected what? Southwest? Delta? COTA? Don't bother getting a job there - you will still be miserable.

 

[ProFracPilot]

It's amazing the FBO's don't surcharge us for all the paper we use.

Oh, I dunno. I think the $400+ "ramp" fee @ Signature - MIA (just to name one) pretty much covers 10 or 20 sheets of paper.

 

[dsptchrnja]

There are JetCard companies that charge LESS THAN WE DO that are basically charter brokers. They make a profit. .

I can't speak for anyone else...

Let me spell it out:

Sell-off's are bad and used only to fulfill the company's contractual obligation to the owner. This is just common sense. Available crews never sit idly by while NetJets flights get sold off. Owners don't like it. Company loses money every time and there is no incentive for them ever to do it, monetarily speaking.

 

[dsptchrnja]

Wonder what was wrong with the NBAA and fractional industry salary info they already had?

We aren't talking Salary - we are talking company profits. You have no idea where the company stands financially (either do I other than what I stated earlier) because for some reason your union won't allow a third-party to analyze it. Are you afriad of what you might find out? If it would only better your case - than your union would have jumped all over it. Last I heard NetJets still has that offer on the table.

 

[x402]

Let me spell it out:

Sell-off's are bad and used only to fulfill the company's contractual obligation to the owner. This is just common sense. Available crews never sit idly by while NetJets flights get sold off. Owners don't like it. Company loses money every time and there is no incentive for them ever to do it, monetarily speaking.

You can get a charter any day of the week for less than Marquis cardholders pay per hour. So to say the company has NO incentive to sell off is not true. Owners don't like vendors, they like the guys with the silly ties, that's the problem.

 

[Some Dude]

It was reported in Aviation International News that Netjets made 191 MILLION dollars last year. That was 80 MILLION more than the previous year. Check the the Berkshire Hathaway reports we made a boat load of money. Why DispatcherNJA decides to believe Boisture and not the actual reports filed by Berkshire Hathaway to their shareholders is a mystery.Maybe the dispatcher should get off the internet and get my flight plan filed to a closed airport with minimum fuel through level five and six thunderstorms with an alternate that has notams with nav aids decommissioned. That is a pretty typical of a release.

When you get done with that then go back on the internet at your desk and read the Berkshire Hathaway financial reports. Educate yourself about how much money this place is really making and stop believing the lies being told to you why you can't get a raise.

 

[NJA Capt]

Available crews never sit idly by while NetJets flights get sold off.

Sorry, we see this personally every day. Hot stby while vendors depart with our pax.