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[Majik]

Point well taken. I knew you would say that.. you've said it before. But in order for you to make your opinion here you have to assume the company's motives are exactly as you detailed.

So let's assume, for argument's sake, that it has happened exactly as you suggested. Well then, I guess all the original accusations and blame placed entirely on the company can be thrown out the window. Sounds like they would be both equally responsible for low FO pay.

We can both agree on the moral of the story... let's just get the dang contract over with.

Let's see, I think the company wanted to raise FO pay for two primary reasons:
1 - To try to entice applicants to apply so they meet their hiring requirements.
2 - So the new-hire salarys wouldn't look so low when they are made public in the media.
What do you think the company's motives were when they attempted to unilaterally raise FO pay only?

I give the company part of the responsibility for current FO pay. The remainder lies with the pilot group that ratified the 1998 contract and said it was good enough. I congratulate our leadership for not allowing the company to wiggle out of a position that they may be ashamed of publically.

 

[FL450]

If your DNIF rate the last few months has not significantly increased (less any unforseen illness you may have suffered), and the rate at which you write up your aircraft has not significantly increased, or you are not doing these things with the intent to get more of the company's attention on your dissatisfaction, all the while shrugging your shoulders and excusing yourself by giving us the horse-hooey "what do you mean? I'm not breaking any rules, I just don't want to do the company any favors any more, what are you talking about?"..... then I guess your not playing any games.


The minority that are doing this apparently don't have enough faith in the union to negotiate a successful contract without their "help".

Let's look at the 4 years of negotiations. Tiddly winks. Funny how the company is now motivated to negotiate at a more progressive pace, even without the presence of a mediator. Kind of equates to a person being more motivated to buy a car if the one he/she has isn't running, wouldn't you agree.

I guess there are still those of you that don't see the Company's responsibility for parking this jalopy on the side of the road. It's a shame. It's also going to take a good sized tow truck!

 

[Bad Monkey!]

Just stick a rag in the gas hole, light a match and watch it burn! Oh yea that's right, we don't have to do that because management is doing that right now!

Complete MORONS from the Frank Lorenzo school of management!

 

[dsptchrnja]

What do you think the company's motives were when they attempted to unilaterally raise FO pay only?

As I indicated before, I would guess that the prusumptions you made earlier are probably not that far out of line.

My whole point in entering this discussion was to show that it is pointless to get on these boards and make FO pay a public spectacle since the company can't raise it even when they want to (until the union agrees to a contract). Not to mention how very few pilots at NJA actually make this pay.

 

[dsptchrnja]

Funny how the company is now motivated to negotiate at a more progressive pace, even without the presence of a mediator. Kind of equates to a person being more motivated to buy a car if the one he/she has isn't running, wouldn't you agree.

Not sure what you mean by more progressive. They have been actively engaged the entire time, no more so today than 3 years ago. In fact it would have been in the company's best interest if they had settled a contract long before now - they knew that then.

 

[CE750Driver]

Dispatcher, if you truly believe it is 5% doing the min, you are so far off base you cant be helped. I would guess it is between 70 - 80 percent. I think you are like most of management. Turning a blind eye to the solidarity of the pilots and bleeding of money that is going on. I just hope that you and management realize this before the company is mortaly wounded.

But, if I had to guess, I think NJA will bleed to death first. BB's ego is that big.

 

[dsptchrnja]

I'm curious what makes you think your guess is accurate. Perhaps 70-80% of your friends or other pilots you talk to? Has the union published this statistic? How did you come up with it?

The exact number isn't exactly the point anyway. But I digress...I see every line of every crew 4 days a week and I can assure you that about 5% of all crews per day are doing the "minimum" as you say, or being downright dishonest (that is not for me to know or judge). Any objective person can also figure out that it could be much more than 5% of crews but they are not doing it 100% of the time. That is likely where yours and my numbers differ the most if truth be told.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Sorry to interrupt, but back to the original topic.....if they aren't meeting their hiring goals, are the current mins still standing? Also what are the medical benefits like?

As far as I know, still sticking to the mins. Medical is pretty good, several plans to choose from (HMO, EPO, PPO, etc).

Not sure what you mean by more progressive. They have been actively engaged the entire time, no more so today than 3 years ago.

Just found out that the company wants to meet every weekday til Sept 15th or an agreement is reached. Sounds more progressive to me. I wonder why?

 

[dukeofdub]

Funny

Just stick a rag in the gas hole, light a match and watch it burn! Oh yea that's right, we don't have to do that because management is doing that right now!

Complete MORONS from the Frank Lorenzo school of management!

BM you are TOOO funny. And you don't seem to get it and understand the logic. Both sides are motivated, or it appears that the COmpany is working to get the Union out of the hole they dug. Now isn't it about time for the MEC toget on with reviewing the books so we can get out of Abeyance and into real bargaining and release? I guess the MEC dcoesn't really want to negociate or they would be moving faster.

 

[Starman]

duke - you're an idiot and a company hack.

 

[CMHTroll]

Duke, there is no use trying to talk logic to Bad Monkey or Starman. They are Union Robots and don’t think for themselves. Either that or they are afraid to speak up and ask why it has taken the MEC since May to get an accountant, or they are part of the Union political machine. The only reason to drag out the accountant is for their political positioning. It has nothing with moving the process forward. Give up on these guys, they are not thinking logically. It looks to me like they are the Union hacks.

 

[Starman]

yawn - another company hack chimes in. How are the sell-offs going?

 

[FLYLOW22]

Holidays are right around the corner.

 

[Diesel]

I can't wait for the holidays. Actually i can't wait till another month or so.

 

[Diesel]

ahhh i see the company wants to meet every day till this thing is done or september rolls around.

Hmmmmmm I wonder why that is.