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[Diesel]

ahhh familyguy still working the company line. Still taking the time to post what the company pays you to post.

THERE ARE THOSE THAT WORK THE LINE AND THOSE THAT DON"T.

LOOK AT ALL THE POSTS MADE BY THOSE THAT DON'T.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THEY KISSED THEIR WIFE GOODBYE AND WALKED OUT THE DOOR FOR 7 DAYS.

ENOUGH ALLREADY.

 

[FamilyGuy]

ahhh familyguy still working the company line. Still taking the time to post what the company pays you to post.

THERE ARE THOSE THAT WORK THE LINE AND THOSE THAT DON"T.

LOOK AT ALL THE POSTS MADE BY THOSE THAT DON'T.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THEY KISSED THEIR WIFE GOODBYE AND WALKED OUT THE DOOR FOR 7 DAYS.

ENOUGH ALLREADY.

No, I've just done hardship tours overseas for a year at a time.

How about you?

Seven days doesnt sound so bad, does it? Especially when it means you get seven days WITH them after the seven days of tour are up.

 

[Diesel]

Look i can copy and paste too.

Dude honestly i thank you for your sacrifice for the country but that's apples and oranges.

It has nothing to do with negotiations or what's going on at NJA.

 

[hydrarkt]

EJM doesnt seem to have any problems.

Really??? Gee, that's not what was told to me by the several pilots from EJM who were FURLOUGHED. You might ask them if they had a problem before you make dumb ass remarks that you know nothing about.

The company violates the CBA EVERY tour. That's why Arbitrators have already ruled in the PILOTS' FAVOR on 3 class action grievances so far this quarter. One award was over 5.5 million dollars. Apparently the other is MUCH larger (and the company appealed it to Federal court... good luck . Now why would a neutral arbitrator decide in the pilots' favor on these grievances if the company hadn't violated the contract continuously???

 

[Hogprint]

Now its an eight year old contract? This is like fishing tales....they keep getting bigger.

When was this contract agreed to by the Union and company? You do the math.

I thought we agreed long ago that BOTH sides were at fault here, but it looks like we are due for a recap...The contract has been amendable since 2001....the company has been negotiating with your representatives since that time. The company and the union reached an agreement in 2004, which the pilots voted down. The pilots subsequently voted out the union leadership, voted in new leaders, changed locals, and started at square one on negotiations. The company has been at the table the whole time, but they can only proceed as fast as the union wants to proceed. If the union elects to spend 3 years renegotiating every clause in the contract before they get to pay, what can the company do?

So what are you saying? The Union hasn't been at the table? The contract we're working under needed to be revised. It had more holes that swiss cheese. Not buying this FG.


Really? The non-union employees in the flight center dont seem to have any problems. NJI doesnt seem to have any problems. EJM doesnt seem to have any problems. NJE doesnt seem to have any problems.

How can 4 other operating companies not have a problem, but the one union-represented company does? things that make you go hmmmmm....

With all the time the geek squad spends on here jousting with us, I'd say YOU have a problem with us.

NJI has a problem with us wanting to include them on scope.

EJM laid off pilots three years ago...I'd say that's a HUGE problem. We hired a couple of them. Look them up and ask how they liked being on the short end of the stick with no union protection.


Yes, I think you should go on Hogprint....cause you're singing a far different tune than when you posted this just a month ago:
things that make you go hmmmmmmm......

What's your point? Taken out of context, I'm sure.

 

[FLYLOW22]

STMFD...

 

[rice]

Now its an eight year old contract? This is like fishing tales....they keep getting bigger.

Really? The non-union employees in the flight center dont seem to have any problems. NJI doesnt seem to have any problems. EJM doesnt seem to have any problems. NJE doesnt seem to have any problems.

How can 4 other operating companies not have a problem, but the one union-represented company does? things that make you go hmmmmm..........

FG,
I don't have a dog in this fight and for that reason alone my opinion probably doesn't matter to most in the fractional industry but YOUR SCHTICK IS GETTING REALLY OLD!!!! I hope for your sake you are a paid propagandist for the company because if you're not I'd hate to think what your life will be like once the dust settles from this.
Your points of view used to be entertaining but now they've just become old and boring drivel. I'm glad I don't work for NJA for no other reason than I'd have to deal with the likes of you and your kind on a daily basis. Time for you to take a much needed break and step away from the computer until you can muster some cogent thoughts.

 

[steel]

FLYLOW22....I'm sorry, but I don't think I heard you.





Did you say?





STMFD!

 

[FamilyGuy]

FG, I hope for your sake you are a paid propagandist for the company because if you're not I'd hate to think what your life will be like once the dust settles from this.

Why?

Are you suggesting that the fine professionals that fly for NJA would stoop to underhanded shenanigans in an attempt to make someone's life miserable simply because that person exercised their right to free speech and voiced an opinion that doesnt support the union's stated positions?

I'm not a paid propagandist, just a long term NetJets employee who likes working here. Thank you for your concern. I'm sure everything will be fine.

 

[Ultra Grump]

That's simply not true. Even when the Gulfstreams were scheduled from Columbus, they had their own scheduling cell headed by Liz T. I had know her previously from Andrews AFB where she commanded the Navy Gulfstream Detachment. We had tried hard to recruit her at Gulfstream, but EJI/NJI gave her a better offer.

I have toured the Gulfstream dispatch activity at Okatie and they schedule their own assets. As Wolfpack has suggested the two scheduling elements at times coordinate with one another, but the basic thrust of the Okatie operation is to take care of Gulfstream owners.

GV

Say whatever you want if it makes you feel better. I sat there and watched it happen. I watched him access the daily schedules of all coast-to-coast aircraft in our fleet and NJI's. He assigned the trip to an NJI G without consulting anyone.

If you went a couple doors down you could have watched another NJA employee work an issue with booking a vendor aircraft for an NJA owner just as easily. It wouldn't make that vendor any less autonomous than doing the same thing with NJI, would it?

Yes, it would. The employee booking the flight with another company would not have complete access to that vendor's aircraft schedules and ability to schedule them wherever he wanted. That's the difference.

I also don't see any pictures of vendor aircraft in the NetJets brochures or on the website - I see plenty of Gulfstreams. I also don't see any mention that NJA and NJI are separate companies and are not seamlessly integrated. Why do you think that is?

Not to mention what you say doesn't quite jive with what GVFlyer just said.

 

[Sarka]

Say whatever you want if it makes you feel better. I sat there and watched it happen. I watched him access the daily schedules of all coast-to-coast aircraft in our fleet and NJI's. He assigned the trip to an NJI G without consulting anyone.

Sorry, Gump. I have to disagree with you on this one. If we want to use a NJI aircraft for a trip we have to call the NJI schedulers for approval. It's their fleet. Sometimes they say yes and sometimes they can't help us. It's their call, not ours.

Sure we can see their (NJI) entire fleet. We can also see all of EJM, NJE, NJME and our vendors if we select the correct view in IJet. NJI, EJM, NJE and NJME can also see NJA's fleet and request to use our aircraft for flights. But, each division has it's own schedulers that make the final call.

 

[Diesel]

Sarka-

Lets take it one step further. Say you're scheduling ultras. You don't have any control over who is doing the X's. Sure you can see the planes but you still have to ask the day of scheduler in X's to use one of their planes.

Same principle.

 

[BE200Driver]

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THEY KISSED THEIR WIFE GOODBYE AND WALKED OUT THE DOOR FOR 7 DAYS.

AAAAwwwwwww! Your choice.

 

[Sarka]

Sarka-

Lets take it one step further. Say you're scheduling ultras. You don't have any control over who is doing the X's. Sure you can see the planes but you still have to ask the day of scheduler in X's to use one of their planes.

Same principle.

Similar, yes, but not exactly Diesel. Schedule Planning (24-48 hr out) has schedulers by fleet (control of indivdual fleets). Day of (SOC) scheduler (and Air Boss) has control over all fleets.

You are right about the Ultra planner needing to ask the X scheduler to some degree, but there is a Schedule Planning supervisor that can overide and make the final decision on any fleet.

We all cooperate with each other as much as possible and try to help each other out, but it still is the responsibility of each individual scheduling group for NJA, NJI, EJM, NJE, NJME and Vendor Ops to control which flights they cover or not.

I'm not trying to take any sides here Diesel, just telling you like it is to clearify any misunderstandings or mis-information.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Sarka....you said that if WE want to use NJI a/c for a trip WE have to call the NJI schedulers and get permission.....just out of curiosity, can we do the same with CS a/c or FLOP's a/c or Flex a/c? Are they on your speed dial?

Yet another point to prove the single carrier relationship between NJA and NJI.

I do appreciate the explanation of how the scheduling process works though....I think we need more of these explanations so everyone, in all departments, realize how the other side of the house works.....

 

[FLYLOW22]

FLYLOW22....I'm sorry, but I don't think I heard you.





Did you say?





STMFD!

Ummmm..... yes!

 

[FLYLOW22]

AAAAwwwwwww! Your choice.

It IS all about choice. At my second job rehabbing houses this weekend I talked to a guy that is pitching in as a favor (doesn't need the scratch). He drives a truck during the week and has one week on and one week off.

He is away from his family as much as I am.

He makes $2000 a week. I make $2000 a month.

Hmmmmm.

STMFD!!!!

 

[dsptchrnja]

....you said that if WE want to use NJI a/c for a trip WE have to call the NJI schedulers and get permission.....just out of curiosity, can we do the same with CS a/c or FLOP's a/c or Flex a/c? Are they on your speed dial?.....

We have similiar working relationships with NJI that we have with vendors. The biggest difference is NJI is our sister company. Pretty basic stuff. It doesn't make us single carrier. If the boss doesn't want a single carrier for his company's who has the right to tell him otherwise?

 

[Webslinger]

2 can play this game:

Why are BBJ FO's making so much more than NJI FO's when they freguently fly many of the same routes or substitute for each other?




Answer: its called the food chain

Cant we all just get along?

 

[dsptchrnja]

Really??? Gee, that's not what was told to me by the several pilots from EJM who were FURLOUGHED.

To bad they didn't work for the unionized majors, they never have that problem there.