NBC says Comair is not an airline

[philo beddoe]

My prediction is a small increase in turbobprop fleets, along with lots more 70 seat jets, and the phase-out of 50 seaters.

I really think a lot of EAS flying will remain t-trop or even switch from jet to t-prop. People like jets more, I agree, but with EAS I think that beggars will not likely end up being choosers.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Comair????

I thought that after all the money "Comair" made on PFT, the latest idea was apparently to charge "pilots" for computer server time.........Geez, even the Freedumb Air a$$wipes didn't do that......BTW NEVER FORGET!!!!!!!

 

[AutoBus]

What exactly are you arguing, Auto? Regional airlines aren't real airlines, or regional airline pilots aren't real airline pilots?

Sounds like a fat logbook tends to lead to a head with the same size.

Defensive aren't we, no not at all, pilots are pilots. We fly for whoever we can and try survive day to day like everyone else.

The point of the discussion was, is Comair (or any regional a real airline).

Well maybe we need to look at it this way, there are very, very few regional airlines these days, only a few come to mind, Midwest, Cape Air, Big Sky, Great Lakes, CommutAir, Air Midwest and maybe a few others. They may have marketing or code sharing agreements with other airlines, but for the most part they do thier own thing, have thier own identity, etc.

Most RJ operators are not Airlines, they are service providers, they are the lowest bidder, they have No identity. They only have 1 customer (mainline) and are simply the lowest cost provider of that service. If someone cheaper comes along, they get replaced. It's a commodity, like peanuts, paper, oil, pork bellies, etc. Thier commodity is transportation of seats, seats is the key word, an RJ operator does NOT care if the seat is filled, An AIRLINE does.

After a long maintenance delay, an RJ operator will be inclined to fly an EMPTY plane on a roundtrip (just to collect the contract fee) Whereas Airline would have the judgement to cancel the flight.

 

[AutoBus]

My prediction is a small increase in turbobprop fleets, along with lots more 70 seat jets, and the phase-out of 50 seaters.

I really think a lot of EAS flying will remain t-trop .

likely to happen as the industry re-invents itself. Larger T-props like the ATR42 and &@ have pretty good economics on the short hall stuff, starts to go down hill on the longer routes. well that is the yield is better on the short hall than on the long hual stuff, so it works. Aircraft like the 1900's, j32's are basket cases when it comes to cost, way to expensive to operate on most routes, unless it's thin, short and high yield.

 

[BoilerUP]

Midwest, Cape Air, Big Sky, Great Lakes, CommutAir, Air Midwest and maybe a few others. They may have marketing or code sharing agreements with other airlines, but for the most part they do thier own thing, have thier own identity, etc.

Um...Great Lakes contracts with UAL, CommutAir contracts with US Airways, Air Midwest does some of their own stuff but I think they fly under US code.

I could be mistaken though...I have a skinny logbook

 

[foofighter145]

deep breathe...

nah forget it...I'm beating a dead horse...

 

[T-Gates]

CommutAir contracts with US Airways

Try again.....

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Defensive aren't we, no not at all, pilots are pilots. We fly for whoever we can and try survive day to day like everyone else.

The point of the discussion was, is Comair (or any regional a real airline).

Well maybe we need to look at it this way, there are very, very few regional airlines these days, only a few come to mind, Midwest, Cape Air, Big Sky, Great Lakes, CommutAir, Air Midwest and maybe a few others. They may have marketing or code sharing agreements with other airlines, but for the most part they do thier own thing, have thier own identity, etc.

Most RJ operators are not Airlines, they are service providers, they are the lowest bidder, they have No identity. They only have 1 customer (mainline) and are simply the lowest cost provider of that service. If someone cheaper comes along, they get replaced. It's a commodity, like peanuts, paper, oil, pork bellies, etc. Thier commodity is transportation of seats, seats is the key word, an RJ operator does NOT care if the seat is filled, An AIRLINE does.

After a long maintenance delay, an RJ operator will be inclined to fly an EMPTY plane on a roundtrip (just to collect the contract fee) Whereas Airline would have the judgement to cancel the flight.

I don't know much...but I do know that Autobus is 100% correct and I understand the point that he and FooFighter are trying to make...some of you guys are missing it.

-Neal

 

[ExFokkerFlyer]

Webster's dictionary

Airline (noun) - : an air transportation system including its equipment, routes, operating personnel, and management

Sounds like Comair is an airline to me. I see the big point trying to be made here, but if you are recognized and regulated by the FAA as an entity that transports people or property by air, you are an airline my friend.

Boyd is an idiot.

 

[moscowcfi]

NBC aviation analyst Micheal Boyd said this morning on the 8am national news that Comair is not an airline at all, and the public needs to understand that.

"Comair is nothing more than an entity that leases flight crews to Delta Airlines."

I guess that about says it.

The statement from Boyd is about as ignorant as someone stating that Delta is not really an airline because it simply acts as a travel agency to get people on Comair flights. That would be stupid and so is his assessment.

 

[DDpaysoff]

I thought that after all the money "Comair" made on PFT, the latest idea was apparently to charge "pilots" for computer server time.........Geez, even the Freedumb Air a$$wipes didn't do that......BTW NEVER FORGET!!!!!!!

Blah,

 

[DDpaysoff]

Blah.

 

[Well-hung Start]

yup, t'iz true

Canadair never imagined its experiment of popping a few 'fuse plugs in a dying bizjet model would sell more than 50 planes.

But the main reason RJ's took hold is because of exactly what this "expert" said.....it enabled a "C"-scale paystructure for the legacy carriers.....jet-lift at turboprop [i-don't-givafuk-how-low-the-pay-is-'cause-I'm-building-PIC-to-jump-to-the-Majors] prices. Hahahaha.

The regionals are really the outsourcing contractors for expendable, cheap labor. The RJ and regional airlines are the ultimate union-busting tool for airline management which, historically, has had a hard time defending itself against threatened pilot strikes due to the unique industry combination of very high overhead with very high-skill labor. Thus, striking pilots could not be replaced quickly enough to offset the cash hemorrhage of a pilot strike. So pilots always had the upper hand. That is why a B-747 captain got paid $400,000 to make 2 trips to Tokyo each month.

But those days are over. Introducing the latest tool: Turbo-Whipsaw 2000. Now, payscales are just where management likes them: Low with continuous downward pressure. Look how aircrew leasing companies (CHQ, ASA, iFly, etc) are being "rewarded" with "lots more 70-seat RJ's" (like 8 at a time!) for being the "lowest cost operator". It's a total joke to call them airlines. The "121 Operating Certificate" has been hijacked as a tool for enabling unethical, predatory anti-labor tactics.

But we think we're living the dream.

 

[spinproof]

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[doh]

Well hung,

You hit the nail on the head!