My sixth year view of AirTran

[Lear70]

Wow....lear, you are on a roll today!!

As for where the money is....the divorce lawyers make it all.

Yeah, have to say we spent a lot of money on divorce attorneys after my wife and I got married embroiled in crap with her ex...

Not to mention what happened with you and yours... yuck.

I'm also trying to sleep off a full-blown flu bug... At least I'll (hopefully) be ok for Thanksgiving.

Wow you should do a little research, bankruptcy and divorce lawyers make a killing.

There's about half a dozen GOOD bankruptcy attorneys here in town that make a LOT of money, the rest of them do so-so (this directly from a cousin who's a bankruptcy attorney here).

Same with the divorce lawyers, there's maybe a dozen good names, everyone else is kinda "ehhh" and they bust their butts trying to make six figures a year. This I know from having shopped over 30 attorneys before settling on a good one for my wife's problems with her ex and the custody crap that goes along with having a psycho idiot still around.

 

[timmay]

Wow....lear, you are on a roll today!!

As for where the money is....the divorce lawyers make it all.

Any man thats been through a divorce can relate.

 

[frog_flyer]

If you make less than 100k as a lawyer, you suck at life. (less the first few years out of law school)

Same goes for doctors and dentists. Maybe 250k for the former in most instances.

 

[frog_flyer]

Wow....lear, you are on a roll today!!

As for where the money is....the divorce lawyers make it all.

'tis true. Keep it comin', I want a new car.





But if you hire a $300/hr attorney, you have some serious assets to protect and you'll most likely save money in the end.

 

[Lear70]

If you make less than 100k as a lawyer, you suck at life. (less the first few years out of law school)

Same goes for doctors and dentists. Maybe 250k for the former in most instances.

If you say so... The reality my family sees is drastically different than what you're painting.

Once you pay out malpractice insurance, office staff, expenses, what you clear is less than half of that $250k you're claiming unless you're in the top 2%.

The majority of attorneys and doctors make a great living, but nothing like the numbers you're throwing out there.

 

[lurker]

If you make less than 100k as a lawyer, you suck at life. (less the first few years out of law school)

Same goes for doctors and dentists. Maybe 250k for the former in most instances.

family practice doctors generally make 100-130k out of residency. they then top out around 160-180. the problem, as has been noted here, is that they usually owe 150-200k in student loans.

I knew someone that went to med school, became a family practice doctor, and came out of residency owing 180k before she decided she didn't really like practicing medicine after all. so here she is in debt up to her eyeballs, having to work 20 years just to pay off the student loan debt, before she can even think about doing something else with her life. not to mention, she pretty much gave up her 20s, finishing her residency at 29. if you do go to medical school, make sure that's really what you want to do, because even if you want to get out, you probably won't be able to.

granted, those salaries are for primary care physicians. the capacity to make more is much higher as a specialist.

not to mention, things are going in the wrong direction. as of January 1st, medicare reimbursement is going down 5% across the board. as a result, many specialties are seeing paycuts of up to 11%.

I'd agree with Goggles....with 20/20 hindsight, and MBA would have been the best way to go.

 

[instructordude]

I'm also trying to sleep off a full-blown flu bug... At least I'll (hopefully) be ok for Thanksgiving.

I hope you feel better man. The flu sucks.

 

[Lear70]

Yes it does, thanks...

Stopped yakking and such late last night, still pretty weak today...

As far as the MBA goes, just don't want to work that side of the house, too much respect for the job the people on the line do every day...

 

[Saluki Dawg]

If you make less than 100k as a lawyer, you suck at life. (less the first few years out of law school)

Same goes for doctors and dentists. Maybe 250k for the former in most instances.

Frog,
My wife is an Atty, and makes about half that amount as an ADA down here in TX. Unless your personally related to an Atty, you have no idea what you're talking about. My wife doesn't suck at life because she doesn't make what you think that a Lawyer should make.

100K a year for an Atty is considered extremely good money and definitely not the norm at least in TX, and we live in Houston. I can't imagine what a Lawyer makes out in Odessa, San Angelo, or Lubbock.

 

[Palomino]

and how many days off do attorneys and doctors get for their trouble?

you guys focus too much on the compensation end. look at the total quality of life and that's why i'm not beating down the door to med or law school.

what makes a good pilot contract? it's more than compensation...

 

[NuGuy]

But if you hire a $300/hr attorney, you have some serious assets to protect and you'll most likely save money in the end.

Two words: PRE NUP

Anyone who gets married without one these days is taking an unwarranted risk, even if you think you don't have that much to protect. Even if you don't have much in the way of assets, it will save you MUCH hassle down the road.

I've seen what seemed to be the nicest, sweetest women turn into the devil incarnate literally overnight due to what they think they are "owed". The girlfriend/mother effect can raise this several orders of mangnitude.

If you present it to her, and she gets all huffy, you don't need her claws in your sh!t. Look elsewhere, there are plenty of fish in the sea.

Nu

 

[afhercdriver]

This is depressing. I would take my MBA and play some other game but there is nothing like flying. I guess that is why the lines are so long to get a job. Now, why isn't my phone ringing!?!

 

[SkiFishFly]

Any man thats been through a divorce can relate.

Why does a divorce cost so much?

Because it's worth it to get rid of the B@@ch!

 

[IAHERJ]

I've got several friends who practice law as well as my father and grandfather. Those friends who graduated from ivy league schools started in the low six figure range their first year. My father and grandfather practiced together and have had good years and lean years where they made less than 100K combined. My roomate in Austin just recently graduated from the McCombs MBA school and was offered a job in Mexico with a large company starting at over 85K his first year. I'm on my third airline and 8 years out of college and just started over again making 30K last year. I'll break 80K in '07 if I fly my current schedule on my equipment with the DH and INT'l per diem. It will probably be my 10th year in the industry before I break the six figure mark flying widebodies at CAL on 3rd year pay from the right seat. I try not to look back and wine about how long it has taken but rather enjoy the moment. I'm very cautious about the future but think that as the airlines continue to climb out of their holes that our labor contracts will once again rise with the tide.

IAHERJ

 

[Juvat]

My 9 year view of AirTran:

The apathy around here is embarrassing. We could have had a contract a year ago if we had even the slightest bit of testicular fortitude.

We are about to have a concessionary contract rammed down our throat and no one is stepping up to the plate. Until we hit them in the wallet, expect nothing to change.

Taxi as if the FAA was observing, write up each and every maintenance discrepancy, alert, cabin discrepancy, do not reset CB's, do not test run engines (even if directed by Mx), conduct meticulous pre-flight inspections, do not call for a gate, cleaning, catering. In other words DO YOUR JOB AND NOTHING MORE!!

We have our sights set way too low. I've said it before, I can safely cast my NO vote today.

With an attitude like this, you might be the cause, not the cure. Just one man's opinion...