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redd said:
Andes mountains rugby team that resorted to cannibalism, book and movie made about it named Alive!

Can’t seem to recall any famous railroad or roadway accidents.
That movie Alive! was great! Don't know how those guys did that. Any of you out there that haven't seen it, be sure and check it out sometime.

As for famous roadway accident, how about:
James Dean
Jayne Mansfield
Mary Jo Kapechne (of Ted Kennedy fame)
Princess Di

To name a few... ;)
 
redd said:
FN FAL,

Have you flown over any of the great lakes, don’t cha hail from those parts?

The story of the Fitzgerald gives me the willies, cold deep waters, scary stuff.

Never heard of any aviation accidents there, though.
I have flown along the shoreline of lake Superior once...to avoid a line of t-storms. Flying over parts of Lake Michigan, I do daily. In the past, I have flown over Lake Michigan quite a bit.

I don't know what it is about Lake Superior...but it gives me the willies.

Maybe it's some kind of natural dynamics? Wind flow, water flow, temperatures?
 
I don't believe anyone mentioned the Comet crashes that (temporarily) grounded the type and let Boeing and Douglas grab the lead in jet airliners...
 
User997 said:
What's the details on this accident? I've never heard of this before.

The collision occured in 1970 (or 71, I was in Jr. High at the time.) A "Yellow Bannana" Hughes Air West DC-9 departed from either LAX or BUR and was enroute to LAS. They were in contact with LA Center. They came out of a cloud, nose-to-nose with a Marine Corps. F-4 Phantom being controlled by a seperate military controller. The two planes impacted and the wreckage was scattered over an extreemely roughed area just North of Azusa, CA in the San Gabriel Mts.

There was one eye-witness. The sole survivor was the F-4's RIO who ejected a split second before impact. He was found a couple days later in the mountains with both legs broken and I believe an arm borken as well.
 
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I used the KLM/Pan AM and the Sioux City crashes as examples for a research paper in an Effective Communications class in college. Got an 'A' on the paper and got my professor interested in aviation.

FYI - there is a web site that lists the worst civil aviation accidents (belive it or not!)

http://planecrashinfo.com/worst100.htm
 
Tram said:
I'd say Sept. 11 but it wasn't an "accident" it was purposeful..

Lockerbie maybe..
Lockerbie was not an "accident" either. Libyan agents blew it out of the sky with a bomb in a portable radio/CD player.
 
jarhead said:
Lockerbie was not an "accident" either. Libyan agents blew it out of the sky with a bomb in a portable radio/CD player.

And now we have to listen to annoying "for the interest of air safety, please keep an eye on all your possessions and don't accept anything from anyone" announcements they play every 15 seconds in every airport yet everybody completely ignores them and all it ends up doing is annoying the gate agents who have to make PA announcements.
 
My opinion, off topic but the scariest would be

AAL191 May of 1979 DC10 looses engine on takeoff at O'hare
ASA121 Jan of 2000 Maddog has jackscrew failure and nose dives into Pacific of coast of LA
PSA182 727 has midair with Cessna on approach to SAN

Darwin award winning pilots

Eastern L1011 crashes in the glades. Crew is concerned about a nose gear unsafe light, disengages autopilot, slow descent into glades. All 3 crew fixing 1 light and not flying the airplane. CFT

Pinnical 3701 crj crew flames out over Missouri at FL410.

Delta 1141 727 crew joking with flight attendent about crashing, forgets flaps and crashes.

KLM4805 miss interprets a radio call, captain concerned about running out of duty time, FE makes a comment that they were not cleared for takeoff, he continues anyways, smashes into a PanAm 747. Almost clears the plane but didn't. PanAm was a sitting ducks. Radio transmissions blocked, heavy fog and confussion but KLM tookoff without a clearence and are 100% to blame! Fire crews goto the KLM plane and there is nothing they can do....Heavy fog they don't realize there are alot of survivors 2500ft up the runway with the Pan Am, alot of Pan Am pax's burn due to the fact that rescue crews didn't get there in time.

Korean Airlines 401 crashes into a mountain in Guam because they descended below minimums in a 747 on a non precision approach. Kills everyone on board.

Unknown date but Russina airline captain lets his son come up to the cockpit and fly the plane. Some tupolev. Plane crashes, everyone dies. Kid is like 8 years old.

Air Florida Flight 90 crashes while departing DCA during near blizzard conditions. Plane sits on ramp for a while, needs to be deiced again but doesn't get it. Take off checklist. FO calls for "Engine Ice" Captain "off" NICE!!!!! Never reaches full takeoff power, rotates, crashes into the potomic. Ill never forget seeing the aftermath. Some bystander on the road jumps into the frezzing river to get people out. Thats a real man in my opinion.

Northwest Airlines Flight 255 departing Detroit. Captain just off IOE from being in Alcohol rehab. First trip alone, company policy apperantly is taxi on one engine. Fires up one, starts his taxi and pulls the breaker on the T.O. config alarm due to the fact that he has to use high percentages during taxi. Failure to return circuit breaker for takeoff, forgets proper flap setting, crashes. 1 survivor is a 4 year old girl and it takes police and fire fighters hours to figure out that she was actually on board the plane.


anyone have anymore....ill think of more later.
 
Mmmmmm Burritos said:
And now we have to listen to annoying "for the interest of air safety, please keep an eye on all your possessions and don't accept anything from anyone" announcements they play every 15 seconds in every airport yet everybody completely ignores them and all it ends up doing is annoying the gate agents who have to make PA announcements.
True, and on the same token, it was an accident that Pinnacle hired those two dudes to fly the CRJ...no?
 
Lrjtcaptain said:
Fire crews goto the KLM plane and there is nothing they can do....Heavy fog they don't realize there are alot of survivors 2500ft up the runway with the Pan Am, alot of Pan Am pax's burn due to the fact that rescue crews didn't get there in time.

Did not know about that part. Very interesting.
 
Lrjtcaptain said:
AAL191 May of 1979 DC10 looses engine on takeoff at O'hare
Probably the one I remember the most. It was only about 4 months after I had taken my first commercial airplane flight when I was 10 years old. We went PDX-DEN-ORD-DEN-PDX on Continental. All of the legs were on 727s, except the ORD-DEN leg which was on a DC-10, and I thought it was the coolest. Kinda freaked me out when that one went in.

LAXSaabdude.

P.S. Donning my grammar cop hat here....in this case "looses" is actually pretty close to correct. The engine came "loose" from the wing, knocked the slat to the retracted position, causing a near stall condition on the left wing. Since the bus on the captain's shaker had failed from the loss of the left generator, and there was no shaker installed on the FO's side, there was no indication of a stall. Thus, the crew didn't know the severity of the situation, and may have been able to recover if they had lowered the angle of attack.
 
TACA International Airways - Boeing 737-300 - Lands without power after both engines flameout at FL300 on approach to New Orleans. The crew lands on a 6,000 x 125' grass levy.

Status:Final
Date:24 MAY 1988
Type:Boeing 737-3T0
Operator:TACA International Airlines
Registration: N75356Msn / C/n: 23838/1505
Year built:1988
Total airframe hrs: 81 hours
Engines:2 CFMI CFM56-3B1
Crew:0 fatalities / ? on board
Passengers:0 fatalities / ? on board
Total:0 fatalities / 45 on board
Airplane damage:Unknown
Location:near New Orleans, LA
Phase:En route (ENR)
Nature:International Scheduled Passenger
Departure airport:Belize City-Philip S.W. Goldson International Airport (BZE)Destination airport:New Orleans International Airport, LA (MSY)
Narrative:
During descent from FL350 for an IFR arrival to New Orleans, the flight crew noted green and yellow returns on the weather radar with some isolated red cells, left and right of the intended flight path. Before entering clouds at FL300, the captain selected continuous engine ignition and activated engine anti-ice systems. The crew selected a route between the 2 cells, displayed as red on the weather radar. Heavy rain, hail and turbulence were encountered. At about FL165, both engines flamed out. The APU was started and aircraft electrical power was restored while descending through abou FL106. Attempts to wind-mill restart the engines were unsuccessful. Both engines lit-off by using starters, but neither would accelerate to idle; advancing the thrust levers increased the EGT beyond limits. The engines were shut down to avoid a catastrophic failure. An emergency landing was made on a 6060 feetx120 feet grass strip next to a levee without further damage to the aircraft.
Investigation revealed that the aircraft encountered a level 4 thunderstorm but engines flamed out, though they had met the FAA specs for water ingestion. The aircraft had minor hail damage; the #2 engine was damaged from overtemperature.

PROBABLE CAUSE: "A double engine flameout due to water ingestion which occurred as a result of an inflight encounter with an area of very heavy rain and hail. A contributing cause of the incident was the inadequate design of the engines and the FAA water ingestion certification standards which did not reflect the waterfall rates that can be expected in moderate or higher intensity thunderstorms." Follow-up / safety actions:
After the incident, OMB 88-5 and AD 6-14-88 were issued to require minimum rpm of 45% and to restrict the use of autothrust in moderate/heavy precipitation; engine modification was provided for increased capacity of water ingestion.
Despite of this AD, a Continental Airlines B737-300 suffered a nr.1 engine flameout while descending through heavy precipitation with throttles at flight idle, July 26, 1988. The co-pilot warned the captain of the fact that idle descent was contrary to recently published procedures, but idle descent was continued.
 
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LAXSaabdude said:
Probably the one I remember the most. It was only about 4 months after I had taken my first commercial airplane flight when I was 10 years old. We went PDX-DEN-ORD-DEN-PDX on Continental. All of the legs were on 727s, except the ORD-DEN leg which was on a DC-10, and I thought it was the coolest. Kinda freaked me out when that one went in.

LAXSaabdude.

P.S. Donning my grammar cop hat here....in this case "looses" is actually pretty close to correct. The engine came "loose" from the wing, knocked the slat to the retracted position, causing a near stall condition on the left wing. Since the bus on the captain's shaker had failed from the loss of the left generator, and there was no shaker installed on the FO's side, there was no indication of a stall. Thus, the crew didn't know the severity of the situation, and may have been able to recover if they had lowered the angle of attack.

Another freaky thing about this one (and correct me if I'm wrong) is the passengers watched themselves die. AA used to have a camera in the cockpit that showed an outside view. This camera was on during 191's takeoff. That had to have been just horrible.
 
ERfly said:
Another freaky thing about this one (and correct me if I'm wrong) is the passengers watched themselves die. AA used to have a camera in the cockpit that showed an outside view. This camera was on during 191's takeoff. That had to have been just horrible.
Did the pilots leave that on by accident?
 
Lrjtcaptain said:
Korean Airlines 401 crashes into a mountain in Guam because they descended below minimums in a 747 on a non precision approach. Kills everyone on board.
It was worse than that. They were shooting the ILS and the G/S was notam'ed OTS. At least that's the way I remember it...am I wrong?
 
Tram said:
I'd say Sept. 11 but it wasn't an "accident" it was purposeful..

Lockerbie maybe..

This maybe my next signature. Does anyone else see anything funny about this?
 
siucavflight said:
This maybe my next signature. Does anyone else see anything funny about this?
Funny? Maybe. Confused? Definitely.
 
Hugh Jorgan said:
It was worse than that. They were shooting the ILS and the G/S was notam'ed OTS. At least that's the way I remember it...am I wrong?

You may be correct and that is even worse........all i know is the accident reports stated they were flying a non precision so im assuming they were cleared for the Loc approach and couldn't figure out why they didn't get a GS reading......Oh well, lets just keep descending until we get it :-)
 
Hugh Jorgan said:
It was worse than that. They were shooting the ILS and the G/S was notam'ed OTS. At least that's the way I remember it...am I wrong?

I believe they also had their DME set on the VOR located at the top of the mountain they hit, not on the ILS as specified on the chart.
 
FN FAL said:
Did the pilots leave that on by accident?

They had it turned on. I don't think they planned on crashing. When the s*** hit the fan, I don't think they had time or even thought of turning it off.
 

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