Most well known accident?

[Bongo]

What difference does the source of fire have to do with anything. I read through the link posted above, and I fail to understand what difference the source of ignition would have made in the final outcome. Regardless of the source of ignition, or what direction the plane was heading in the preceding minute before the crash, or the EXACT time at which the airplane crashed has no bearing on the final outcome of the situation. Maybe I am failing to pickup up on something here, but I'm not sure if re-opening this accident report will do anything, besides possibly substantiating a very poor conspiracy theory.


Opening the accident investigation will reveal no new evidence in my mind. The lessons that were learned from this investigation hopefully have been applied to present day operations.

--Bongo

 

[flyifrvfr]

This one was pretty memorable.

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/aa191/photo.shtml

 

[FN FAL]

What difference does the source of fire have to do with anything. I read through the link posted above, and I fail to understand what difference the source of ignition would have made in the final outcome. Regardless of the source of ignition, or what direction the plane was heading in the preceding minute before the crash, or the EXACT time at which the airplane crashed has no bearing on the final outcome of the situation. Maybe I am failing to pickup up on something here, but I'm not sure if re-opening this accident report will do anything, besides possibly substantiating a very poor conspiracy theory.

What difference does the source of ignition have to do with anything? I guess you're right...what difference does it make if the government pins the broken Airbus horizontal stabilizer on the co-pilot? What difference does it make, indeed?

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Me.

 

[Reebo]

Concorde

 

[User546]

I have to say with almost certainty that JFJ Jr. was the most well know accident - especially among non-aviation people.

Everyone, whether they like aviator or not all knows about it. Its probably the one question/opinion I get asked about the most from people when they find out I'm a pilot.

Sure Tenerife, Lockerbie, and the Korean Air incidents were well know, but if you mentioned any three of those names to people, it probably wouldn't strike a chord.

Say JFK Jr. on the other hand, and everyone will know.

 

[I.P. Freley]

(Tenerife or Lockerbie) Neither of which are accidents.

Tenerife was most certainly an accident. No terrorism or other intentional acts of destruction were involved.

 

[C425Driver]

United 232 in Sioux City, IA. Captain Al Haines became a CRM role model as a result of that accident.

C425Driver

 

[FN FAL]

Tenerife was most certainly an accident. No terrorism or other intentional acts of destruction were involved.

If I floor my car at a red traffic light and "accidentally" hit someone driving through the intersection...is that REALLY an accident? Or is it a negligent act?

If I'm not mistaken, the pilot of the KLM attempted to take off without an ATC clearance.

 

[I.P. Freley]

If I floor my car at a red traffic light and "accidentally" hit someone driving through the intersection...is that REALLY an accident? Or is it a negligent act?

If I'm not mistaken, the pilot of the KLM attempted to take off without an ATC clearance.

For the record the airplane didn't attempt a takeoff, it DID take off. It just happened to hit another airplane immediately thereafter. KLM was just far enough off the ground to basically rip the top half off the other 747 involved in the, *ahem*, accident.

If you are going to discount "negligent acts" from inclusion as "accidents", you are writing off 2/3 of the airline accidents that have ever occurred. I think you're being a wee bit too literal in your application of the term "accident". As far as I'm concerned, every crash mentioned in this thread (and dozens more) are all accidents, whether the circumstances were indeed "accidental" or the result of negligent acts. I understand your point about perhaps not including terrorist acts, but anything else is absolutely fair game.

 

[FN FAL]

For the record the airplane didn't attempt a takeoff, it DID take off. It just happened to hit another airplane immediately thereafter. KLM was just far enough off the ground to basically rip the top half off the other 747 involved in the, *ahem*, accident.

If you are going to discount "negligent acts" from inclusion as "accidents", you are writing off 2/3 of the airline accidents that have ever occurred. I think you're being a wee bit too literal in your application of the term "accident". As far as I'm concerned, every crash mentioned in this thread (and dozens more) are all accidents, whether the circumstances were indeed "accidental" or the result of negligent acts. I understand your point about perhaps not including terrorist acts, but anything else is absolutely fair game.

To back you up, the NTSB still calls them "accidents". However, since a lot of their reports are in the preliminary phase, it would be unfair for them to call it the "NTSB Negligence" reports.

I think the original poster of this thread would have did better if he would have substituted "disaster" for the word "accident".

 

[Cutlass1287]

Not Counting September 11, I would say TWA 800.

 

[sky37d]

No, I have to agree with Tenerife. It was the single most deadly accident. There were others, espcially AA191, which were caught on tape, etc etc, but Tenerife was the big one.

There was no tape at Tenerife, just fog.

 

[User546]

Not Counting September 11, I would say TWA 800.

That's a good one as well. Theres enough consipiracist theorys out there that we'll be seeing many more shows on this for many years.

And the Sioux City crash I will agree as also right up there at the top. Everyone will always remember that amateur video crashing in a fireball across the runway.

And guys, seriously, why are we debating whether or not Tenerife was an accident or not? My gad... 500+ people lost their lives when two 747's collided on the runway. Who's to blame for it is not the issue, the severity of the crash is all the same.

Besides, again, it being the most devestating (fatality wise) crash in the history of aviation, the majority of common people would go blank if you mentioned the word "Tenerife." Its very well known in aviation circles, but outside of that, not many people know, or atleast remember, it.

 

[air_chompers]

I'm going with the crash on flight of the phenoix.

 

[Tram]

The first or second crash of the Phoenix?

 

[FN FAL]

And guys, seriously, why are we debating whether or not Tenerife was an accident or not? My gad... 500+ people lost their lives when two 747's collided on the runway. Who's to blame for it is not the issue, the severity of the crash is all the same.

Whose blaming anyone?

 

[RideTheWind]

What happened there, the captain took off without a clearence didn't he?

 

[Tarzan]

The most remembered accident is when you try to fart and crap your pants instead. If one of buddies does it, nobody forgets.

 

[FN FAL]

The most remembered accident is when you try to fart and crap your pants instead. If one of buddies does it, nobody forgets.

there you go...if you can say, "ooops, my bad!" then it's probably an accident. If you have to say, "ooops, I ain't saying nothing until I talk to a lawyer!" it's probably a negligent act.