More unprofessional AMR pilot behavior

[Swerpipe]

Where did you get that from?

G4G5,


Where did you hear that the incident happened during a pax rev flight? The incident happened during a reposition flight and obviously that is part of the reason the pilots got their jobs back. The public was not involded in the incident. It was a prank that went bad. However, I don't think the pilot should loose his job, no way.
Asking the passsengers if they are Christians is like asking the pax if they are strippers, gay, homosexuals, democrats, sinners, republicans, etc... Has only the potential of humiliating or embarassing paying customers.

"Hello folks, Captain speaking, any atheists onboard?. If so, please use the next 3 hours to convince all the religious freaks that God does not exits. Thank you."

 

[TR4A]

Where did you hear that the incident happened during a pax rev flight? The incident happened during a reposition flight and obviously that is part of the reason the pilots got their jobs back. The public was not involded in the incident. It was a prank that went bad. However, I don't think the pilot should loose his job, no way.

It was a revenue flight. FO spilled his soup in his lap. Then took pants off to dry. FA calls up front and they joked that they "were naked up here". She takes napkins to cockpit and grabs her phone with camera. Takes picture and a check airman ends up seeing it. A Chief pilot gets involved and everything got distorted.

 

[Swerpipe]

I stand corrected

TR4A,
What I heard was that it was non-rev and they did it as a prank. The FAs boyfriend saw the picture, got pissed and called to complain. Obviously wrong info but it explained why they got it back. Oh well. Thank you for the clarification. In any case, I am glad they got their jobs.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Wow - you guys have really enlightened me!

I'm just beginning to savor my newly-discovered ability to instill fear in the "unbeliever."

HAH!


I think I'm gonna bring back Krishna -style evangelizing in the airport - I hav an I.D., so I can get in. Giving away flowers or little mints with bible verses on them.

 

[Dizel8]

As long as I can go "airplane" on you, you can give me mints. A nice box of Altoids would be appreciated.

 

[TR4A]

What I heard was that it was non-rev and they did it as a prank. The FAs boyfriend saw the picture, got pissed and called to complain. Obviously wrong info but it explained why they got it back. Oh well. Thank you for the clarification. In any case, I am glad they got their jobs.

That was one of the versions out there. Even management was saying different things. Part of the agreement was no disclosure.
The version I told was probably the closest to the truth.

 

[man-down]

I do not see how any one was forced to raise their hand. I do not see how this is so terrible; that the captain should be punished. Why can't someone bring up a topic and let the "audience" determine if they will participate in the converstion.

I agree, it might not be the thing to do, make such an announcement on every flight, but why not. To simply bring it up should not hurt anyone's feelings. What if the topic was not religion but something different?

"How many of you are one your way to a much anticipated vacation? Please raise your hand."

That is a personal question; I fell more so than religion. I believe if you are a person of faith or a religions person, that is a personal choice, but if you really believe in your decision it is not something you hide from people.

The question was asked, "would it be ok for a Muslim captain to ask every non-Muslim on board to read the Quran?" Sure. That is what America is about, freedom of religion and speech. Why take offense to that? It is just someone trying to help others in his / her own way. I would not be offended, but probably would not take him / her up on the suggestion.

It is pushing your religion when you do not respect the request from an individual or group that you are adressing to stop. Otherwise you are conversing / witnessing.

Why will the government / corporate america allow telemarketers to call my phone daily (usually the same places calling) even when I ask them to stop? That is more on the line of pushing and not "witnessing".

Just because the topic is religion it is taboo today and that is a bad thing.

Another thought on why this senior captain did this...

Not just because he is on his way out soon (speculation)...

Not just to get another 2 months off for some more witnessing...

But we are already three pages into the discusion, and this is a pretty isolated section of the country, or even the world.

Now his witnessing to a couple hundred pax has spread to witnessing to the country.



mike

 

[Pilotbob3]

He's an aa pilot. You seem to have forgotten they are one step below God. They are absolutely right in everything they do. It certainly isn't our position to question the almighty apa tools.

Sarcasm intended.

hey steve, now don't lump all the AA guys together! don't forget there are 2,301 TWA good guys on the list at AA......just ask any AA guy if he is from TWA! you will piss off the SNB's and/or make a TWA smile! sadly there are only only a few hundred TWA guys not furloughed.

 

[nathan jesup]

I think the strong feelings this thread has obviously uncovered is the most interesting thing here. I am a Christian. I also think I am fairly intellectual. This seems to be a contradiction for many of you. There is a mindset in our current society that Christians are foolish, unreasonable, superstitious, idiots. This mindset is constantly reinforced by television, movies, books, and, of course, the media. Most people just start parroting these same ideas they have "learned" from pop culture whenever they get into a debate with a Christian. It is my belief that an uneducated person will often be a Christian. A moderately educated person usually becomes a non-Christian, because they have been shown the problems with it. The person that pursues the issue farther and becomes highly educated often comes full circle and becomes a Christian again. The key is pursuing Truth wherever it leads you. If you study history, archaelogy, evolution, biology, astronomy, etc. with an open mind, there is plenty of hard evidence that will convince you Christianity is true, and exclusively true. Our pluralistic society doesn't like it, but Truth is exclusive by nature. So yes, other religions are wrong, not totally wrong, but wrong.

There is much more I would like to say, but this would go on forever. However, let me end with this thought. This was a calm, non-imflammatory response I gave here. If some of you find yourself still getting angered over my "bible-thumping", perhaps you need to take a genuine look at yourself. This whole thread seems to exemplify what Jesus meant when he said the World would hate him and his message because darkness hates being exposed by the light.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Funny how the rabid Christians on this thread see nothing wrong with what this peabrain did.

However... How quickly they would condemn him if he was a Jew! Or a Muslim! Or a Buddhist!

As previously quoted...

"The Inquisition... Here we go...
The Inquisition... What a show..."

Etc.

Religious nuts make me ill, especially if they are Christian and attempt to hide behind the "I'm in the religious majority of my country and any foolishness I perpetrate on my customers is A-O-K, and God Bless you anyways."

You are scarier to me than the "average" Muslim. There are many more of you in this country and almost none of you recognize how dangerous you are to independent, rational thought... Certainly no more so than the "terrorists", and your kind can influence my Congressman. You are as frightening to me as a "dirty bomb".

"Witnessing", my a$$.

 

[I.P. Freley]

>>>If some of you find yourself still getting angered over my "bible-thumping", perhaps you need to take a genuine look at yourself. <<<

Yes, anyone who disagrees with you is delusional and needs an introspective look into their own tortured soul.



Thank you. Thank you SO much for making my own point for me.

 

[nimtz]

They opened The Daily Show with a bit on this clod last night. Had me chuckling with the humor and the truth of it all. As Jon Stewart said:

"I don't see what the big deal is about all this American Airlines
Captain. I mean a religious zealot at the controls of a widebody
jet. What's the problem with that!?!"

Must of really have sucked to be the FO in this situation. I bet this captain gets bid around an aweful lot.

 

[nathan jesup]

Inquisition, Crusades, etc.... Yes, people who have gone by the name "Christian" have done some horrible things in history. This is not only true, but also well-advertised today. Have athiests also done some horrible things in history? At the core of Communism is athiesm, how many deaths has it caused this century?

What positive impacts has Christianity made on history? The very fact we can freely post our thoughts on this board is due to Christianity. Nearly all the founding fathers of this country were Christian. Our prosperity and freedom is the result of the Christian worldview and philosophy practically applied to the formation of a government. We take this so much for granted that we don't even acknowledge it anymore.

Just a few examples:
1)It was predominantly Christians who brought an end to slavery in the 1800's (William Wilberforce). 2)Women's rights were unknown in Roman times until Christianity spread. 3)Consider your local hospital, it probably has a Catholic name, doesn't it? 4)Many major universities for learning began as Christian institutions (Harvard, etc.). 5)Billions of dollars are pumped every year from American churches to neady across the world. 6)The morals that Christians espouse make a free-market economy run smoothly, without Enron-type scandals.

I would list more, but I need to make my commute here in a few minutes.

I know you will disagree and say that all this is just my slant on things. But I ask you to take an honest look at non "revisionist" history for yourself

In addition, to equate the Muslim belief with the Christian belief is to have a poor understanding of either religion. Compare the historically Muslim countries with the historically Christian countries (USA, etc.) and you will see a huge difference.

As for this American pilot. I think he was wrong to do what he did in the manner he did it.

 

[Dizel8]

IMHO, I think that the bible is a great story with lots of morals, but it is story writen by man to control man.

Sadly, science and religion is non compatible. The more I looked into the Bible, the sillier it became. That does not mean, that religion is not great thing for many, but it never did alter much for me.

Flame away!

 

[ellsworb]

everybody knows god doesn't exist anyway. . its all just a conspiracy.

 

[Snakum]

The very fact we can freely post our thoughts on this board is due to Christianity.

Uh ... nooooo .....

The reason you can freely post your thoughts on this board is that many of us here have walked fences in Europe, manned towers in South Korea, dodged bullets in Central America, and dropped bombs in the Middle East.

I did my part (including that 'bullet-dodging' thing) ... and I'm a Buddhist.

What have you done, Mr. Christian?

Minh

 

[Dave Benjamin]

At the core of Communism is athiesm, how many deaths has it caused this century?

The US felt threatened enough by communism to prop up or install anti-communist dictators around the globe for decades. This resulted directly in the death of millions of people. Communism was more of a threat to US corporate interests than it was to us as citizens. Over 4 million Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Laotians were killed during the Vietnam conflict. Since those folks don't look like us or practice Christianity in large number we tend to gloss over the fact that 4 million of them perished. What a tragedy.
Look at our actions in places like Chile, Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Panama, Iran, Iraq, and Cuba. Then tell me how many of those deaths can be blamed on atheists. Of course you could make a case that we are hardly a Christian nation. After all what Christian nation would go into a foreign country, topple a democratically elected leader, and install a dictator friendly to US corporate interests? We have a lot of blood on our hands. To blame these deaths on atheism is hogwash IMHO.

 

[pylut]

I find it amusing that this aa pilot is so worried about his immortal soul now. I don't recall him being quite so outspoken when he and his fellow apa thugs were stealing the TWA pilots careers and livelihood. Seems a tad bit hypocritical to me.

I believe Hades has a special place reserved for these guys.

Burn baby burn!!

 

[N2264J]

New York-(AP) -- American Airlines says a pilot flying from Los Angeles to New York asked non-Christians passengers to talk to Christians about their faith during the flight.

OK. One of my favorite albums is Randy Newman's Faust.
Newman's little updated operetta of the eighteenth century German poet Goethe's play, is typically irreverent, with bitingly raunchy humor and great music. Randy Newman fans will not be disappointed but beware: if you're at all sensitive to blasphemy and fowl language, you won't like it. Enjoy!

Principal Characters

God - James Taylor
Satan - Randy Newman
Faust - Don Henley (offered knowledge by the Devil)
Margaret - Linda Ronstadt (young woman who falls in love with Faust)
Martha - Bonnie Raitt (Margaret's neighbor and friend)
Angel Rick - Elton John

Overveiw of Goethe's play

In heaven, while angels sang praises to God and his grand creations, heaven and earth, Mephistopheles entered and began to complain about the lot of man on earth. The sinister Mephisto chided God for having given man just enough reason to make him "more brutish than any brute." God asked his adversary if there wasn't anything worthwhile about His creation. "No, Lord," answered Mephistopheles. "I find it still a sorry sight." They argued for some time, until they finally agreed to a wager: with God's permission, Mephisto would attempt to lure the soul of a certain scholar-alchemist named Faust ("who serves you most peculiarly") down with him to hell; God maintained that Faust would and could be saved, despite his proud reliance on reason and sorcery rather than faith...

Are you going to eat those peanuts?

 

[climbhappy]

on point....

I think the Captain, as Pilot in command of that aircraft, had the authority to do it.

That authority,no matter what you may think of it, was and is still his. Working in a fallen world, we subject to the rules of this world. Whatever the company decides, he must live with it.

I've never read a thread here that incited so many passionate responses. and you know what, I don't condemn any of you. to see the passion is remarkable.

My Bible declares(JOHN 10:25-29) that even if you wanted to come to the son,(the only way to heaven) then the Father must first enable you to.

so, with all the bickering , it's really a moot point.