More than 50% of UPS pilots are idiots!!!

[GogglesPisano]

P.S. First year pay is terrible at every major, regional, and fractional job. !

Not true. Check out Jetblue. And Fedex. And Delta (when they eventually hire.) I know, the second year pay is higher at UPS than the pax carriers (by a longshot.)

But your statement is false.

 

[ERJ Jay]

Not true. Check out Jetblue. And Fedex. And Delta (when they eventually hire.) I know, the second year pay is higher at UPS than the pax carriers (by a longshot.)

But your statement is false.

My statement is a simplistic, generic, generalization. Nothing more (have you seen what CAL pays their new hires?)

Jetblue = EMB 190 FO/CA for life!
They've hired what 2000 ex-RJ drivers in their 30s! +/- some ex-A320 drivers from the majors. There will be almost no movement at Jetblue for 15-20 years. The only thing geting you out of the FO seat is growth. At 70/barrel, I'd like to see it.

FedEx, hasn't approved their contract. Until they do so (which I admit they probably will) we have to deal with the fact that you're stuck on small Narrow body (727) for the first 1/3-1/2 half of your carrer (FE then FO then CA - unless you hold out for the MD10/11). When you look at earning over a 20-25 carrer, I'd say they're about even. +/- if you pick up those disputed trips - which I know no one would admit to doing.

DAL, lets see. In BK, going to be in BK for a while. When you get a soild company that will not fold/merge/crumble/ or terminate your pensions - we'll compare big brown with big D.

Is the UPS contract perfect.

No.

No contract is.

They could have paid new hires 10 times more, and then out sourced all international flying.

Would that be better? I say no. Sometimes, job protections and quality of life improvemnets are worth more over the long term than an extra dollar or two in the short term.

Then again, I'm biased. I want to work for Brown.

 

[ERJ Jay]

Not true. Check out Jetblue. And Fedex. And Delta (when they eventually hire.) I know, the second year pay is higher at UPS than the pax carriers (by a longshot.)

But your statement is false.

My statement is a simplistic, generic, generalization. Nothing more (have you seen what CAL pays their new hires?)

Jetblue = EMB 190 FO/CA for life!
They've hired what 2000 ex-RJ drivers in their 30s! +/- some ex-A320 drivers from the majors. There will be almost no movement at Jetblue for 15-20 years. The only thing geting you out of the FO seat is growth. At 70/barrel, I'd like to see it.

FedEx, hasn't approved their contract. Until they do so (which I admit they probably will) we have to deal with the fact that you're stuck on small Narrow body (727) for the first 1/3-1/2 half of your carrer (FE then FO then CA - unless you hold out for the MD10/11). When you look at earning over a 20-25 carrer, I'd say they're about even. +/- if you pick up those disputed trips - which I know no one would admit to doing.

DAL, lets see. In BK, going to be in BK for a while. When you get a soild company that will not fold/merge/crumble/ or terminate your pensions - we'll compare big brown with big D.

Is the UPS contract perfect.

No.

No contract is.

They could have paid new hires 10 times more, and then outsourced all international flying.

If you're comparing it to a pre sept 11 contract at Delta of UAL, I challenge you to get a job at a pre sept 11 company with their pre sept 11 contract. When you do please call me, I still can't find it's mailing address.

Would that be better? I say no. Sometimes, job protections and quality of life improvemnets are worth more over the long term than an extra dollar or two in the short term.

Then again, I'm biased. I want to work for Brown.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Jetblue = EMB 190 FO/CA for life!
There will be almost no movement at Jetblue for 15-20 years.

Wow. Do the guys at JetBlue know that?

FedEx, hasn't approved their contract. Until they do so (which I admit they probably will) we have to deal with the fact that you're stuck on small Narrow body (727) for the first 1/3-1/2 half of your carrer (FE then FO then CA - unless you hold out for the MD10/11).

I read on Flightinfo that FedEx is hiring into the -11 in ANC. I'm not sure how long you have to "hold out" for that. But then again, it is Flightinfo.

 

[PositionandHold]

FedEx, hasn't approved their contract. Until they do so (which I admit they probably will) we have to deal with the fact that you're stuck on small Narrow body (727) for the first 1/3-1/2 half of your carrer (FE then FO then CA - unless you hold out for the MD10/11). When you look at earning over a 20-25 carrer, I'd say they're about even. +/- if you pick up those disputed trips - which I know no one would admit to doing...

Then again, I'm biased. I want to work for Brown.

Then learn how to spell "career." There's a reason these guys want college degrees.

 

[Aviator7576]

career

Position and Hold..

Maybe he was trying to say carrera...I would take any carrera even one 20 yrs old...even older if it's Tia Carrera....

Dreaming...

Aviator7576

 

[PositionandHold]

Position and Hold..

Maybe he was trying to say carrera...I would take any carrera even one 20 yrs old...even older if it's Tia Carrera....

Dreaming...

Aviator7576

True. And the first 1/3 or 1/2 of Tia Carrera isn't bad, either.

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

Maybe 50% of UPS pilots are idiots. But 100% of UPS pilots enjoy one of the highest levels of compensation in aviation, along with retirement, QOL and job security that is almost unheard of in the airline business. If ratifying a contract that provides for all of that makes one an "idiot," then just about every pilot I know is an idiot.

I have a friend who's a stockbroker. He's fond of saying "Pigs eat well, but hogs go to slaughter." One could argue that developments in recent years have already seen some "hogs" turned into sausage.

 

[sandman2122]

So what will UPS pay if/when they receive the A380 - same as a 727??

That's a huge loss for you guys IMO.

 

[TheBaron]

My statement is a simplistic, generic, generalization. Nothing more (have you seen what CAL pays their new hires?)

Jetblue = EMB 190 FO/CA for life!
They've hired what 2000 ex-RJ drivers in their 30s! +/- some ex-A320 drivers from the majors. There will be almost no movement at Jetblue for 15-20 years. The only thing geting you out of the FO seat is growth. At 70/barrel, I'd like to see it.

FedEx, hasn't approved their contract. Until they do so (which I admit they probably will) we have to deal with the fact that you're stuck on small Narrow body (727) for the first 1/3-1/2 half of your carrer (FE then FO then CA - unless you hold out for the MD10/11). When you look at earning over a 20-25 carrer, I'd say they're about even. +/- if you pick up those disputed trips - which I know no one would admit to doing.

DAL, lets see. In BK, going to be in BK for a while. When you get a soild company that will not fold/merge/crumble/ or terminate your pensions - we'll compare big brown with big D.

Is the UPS contract perfect.

No.

No contract is.

They could have paid new hires 10 times more, and then out sourced all international flying.

Would that be better? I say no. Sometimes, job protections and quality of life improvemnets are worth more over the long term than an extra dollar or two in the short term.

Then again, I'm biased. I want to work for Brown.

Not sure where you got your info on being stuck in the narrow body. If you were hired at the end of the postal boom, you may have had to sit as an F/E for 2-3 years (if you didn't want to go to ANC.) For the last 1 1/2 years, and for the foreseeable future, upgrades to the MD or Airbus fleet are very quick. Even those that pass on ANC as a new hire will have the opportunity to bid wide-body sometime in their first couple of years. Hardly 1/3 to 1/2 your career.