Aviator7576
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Browntothebone...
That list is not very accurate or truthful.
1. 3 hrs loss on edw trips only if you don't position on Sunday. They don't want to pay you if you're really not working.
2. Sick leave bank increase HELPS us...talk to some folks who have been out on extended medicals...they want more rather than less.
3. The OT gets picked up at 100%; why should the company pay more. One advantage is there actually might be something there longer if you need to trade. You make it worth more, it's gone in a flash.
4. OT/JA bans are illegal during negotiations anyway (self help during status quo). The union can and has asked the membership for 100% (for those not too obtuse to follow).
5. Yup...those guys didn't get a raise. That was probably not on the top ten list for the nc. If you don't want to work in the training center, don't. If the pay isn't enough, go back to the line and fly with the rest of us. Someone will want to do that job.
6. There is a baseline for minimum IPA instructors now; there was none before.
7. I wish I could make the hotel vans run on time. Report time for rsv starts at the parking lot card reader. For those who wish to travel as scheduled, show up one hour prior; if you don't make it, let it be a ups problem, not yours.
8. I wish it went to 4 but if you want more hiring, you want people to conflict their vacations. You make each day worth six, no one bids on days on....they grab the bucks instead.
9. Yes, we lost some summer vacation (from 10% to 8%). Federal minimum is a lot less than 8% in the summer.
10. A plan is 1% up to $300k now vice $150k and on total w2 instead of guarantee.
11. B plan takes us close to legal limits. If you do extra work, you may not get the payout that just a few individuals got previously.
12. Medical costs went up but still less than federal has now and all other airlines. I would like free medical too, but we kept the coverages and the copays and free generics and free mailorder stuff.
13. Yup..they got us there...right now they will truncate trips and backfill. This way they can actually make you fly a trip you bid to fly when it's not your vacation. This is more an intl issue for dropping a 2 wk trip with one wk of vacation.
14. Right now, if your a called out reserve and your trip cancels, they keep you there for hot stby. They don't release you (unless you know the scheduler). At least now I can go home or to my pad and sleep there.
15. Yes, that is a loss for us. They want to make sure that for our initial dh for a trip, someone will actually be there to fly it. Blame people who no show or couldn't read their schedules for this one.
16. Talk to sim instructors. The one I talked to said he will have to give less days before he can make more money. He seemed satisfied by the changes if not thrilled with no pay increase.
17. Yes, they get too much time to give us beds...I am shocked they would allow us beds to begin with, with the ups mentality (I'm not paying you when you sleep). Incidentally, I don't believe federal gets paid while they are in their mem sort (correct me if I'm wrong please).
18. Our pay was $190 hour for all fleets; we are now $223.55 for all fleets. Federal was $206 for wb; they go to $224.80 for wb. Looks to me like we caught up. Narrow pay is not even close, although it may get you an earlier upgrade. With our higher monthly guarantee and 13 months, our guaranteed salary will be more than federals. They do get more for draft and volunteer but I would like to get the most for doing the least.
Overall, we had some gains and some losses. Knowing now what the vote was, it's probably a good thing it was voted in. If we went back with a marginal no vote, the deck chairs would be rearranged and we would wait several months longer for little gain overall. And some people would still be complaining about their pet peeves.
Hope this helps..
JMO
Aviator7576
Browntothebone...
That list is not very accurate or truthful.
1. 3 hrs loss on edw trips only if you don't position on Sunday. They don't want to pay you if you're really not working.
2. Sick leave bank increase HELPS us...talk to some folks who have been out on extended medicals...they want more rather than less.
3. The OT gets picked up at 100%; why should the company pay more. One advantage is there actually might be something there longer if you need to trade. You make it worth more, it's gone in a flash.
4. OT/JA bans are illegal during negotiations anyway (self help during status quo). The union can and has asked the membership for 100% (for those not too obtuse to follow).
5. Yup...those guys didn't get a raise. That was probably not on the top ten list for the nc. If you don't want to work in the training center, don't. If the pay isn't enough, go back to the line and fly with the rest of us. Someone will want to do that job.
6. There is a baseline for minimum IPA instructors now; there was none before.
7. I wish I could make the hotel vans run on time. Report time for rsv starts at the parking lot card reader. For those who wish to travel as scheduled, show up one hour prior; if you don't make it, let it be a ups problem, not yours.
8. I wish it went to 4 but if you want more hiring, you want people to conflict their vacations. You make each day worth six, no one bids on days on....they grab the bucks instead.
9. Yes, we lost some summer vacation (from 10% to 8%). Federal minimum is a lot less than 8% in the summer.
10. A plan is 1% up to $300k now vice $150k and on total w2 instead of guarantee.
11. B plan takes us close to legal limits. If you do extra work, you may not get the payout that just a few individuals got previously.
12. Medical costs went up but still less than federal has now and all other airlines. I would like free medical too, but we kept the coverages and the copays and free generics and free mailorder stuff.
13. Yup..they got us there...right now they will truncate trips and backfill. This way they can actually make you fly a trip you bid to fly when it's not your vacation. This is more an intl issue for dropping a 2 wk trip with one wk of vacation.
14. Right now, if your a called out reserve and your trip cancels, they keep you there for hot stby. They don't release you (unless you know the scheduler). At least now I can go home or to my pad and sleep there.
15. Yes, that is a loss for us. They want to make sure that for our initial dh for a trip, someone will actually be there to fly it. Blame people who no show or couldn't read their schedules for this one.
16. Talk to sim instructors. The one I talked to said he will have to give less days before he can make more money. He seemed satisfied by the changes if not thrilled with no pay increase.
17. Yes, they get too much time to give us beds...I am shocked they would allow us beds to begin with, with the ups mentality (I'm not paying you when you sleep). Incidentally, I don't believe federal gets paid while they are in their mem sort (correct me if I'm wrong please).
18. Our pay was $190 hour for all fleets; we are now $223.55 for all fleets. Federal was $206 for wb; they go to $224.80 for wb. Looks to me like we caught up. Narrow pay is not even close, although it may get you an earlier upgrade. With our higher monthly guarantee and 13 months, our guaranteed salary will be more than federals. They do get more for draft and volunteer but I would like to get the most for doing the least.
Overall, we had some gains and some losses. Knowing now what the vote was, it's probably a good thing it was voted in. If we went back with a marginal no vote, the deck chairs would be rearranged and we would wait several months longer for little gain overall. And some people would still be complaining about their pet peeves.
Hope this helps..
JMO
Aviator7576
