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More than 50% of UPS pilots are idiots!!!

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ERJ Jay said:
So true!
While the UPS contract may not be all that, I dare you to look at:
CAL
DAL
NWA
UAL
Alaska
US Air/AWA

While no contarct may be perfect, some are more perfect than others.
:)

However, every airline you mention here is a passenger carrier. They are in no way related to the cargo-carrier industry. It was yet another victory for Management, this time at UPS, to link the compensation comparison between the two.

Pilots, or any other employee, need to be paid for their productivity; ie, how much money they make for their company.

UPS pilots make their company many, many times what pax airline pilots bring in, and should be compensated accordingly. Too bad.

C
 
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What??

ERJ Jay said:
FedEx, hasn't approved their contract. Until they do so (which I admit they probably will) we have to deal with the fact that you're stuck on small Narrow body (727) for the first 1/3-1/2 half of your carrer (FE then FO then CA - unless you hold out for the MD10/11).

Dude, what are you talking about??? No one is stuck on narrow body at FedEx. My husband was off that A/C in less than a year!
 
Corona said:
However, every airline you mention here is a passenger carrier. They are in no way related to the cargo-carrier industry. It was yet another victory for Management, this time at UPS, to link the compensation comparison between the two.

Pilots, or any other employee, need to be paid for their productivity; ie, how much money they make for their company.

UPS pilots make their company many, many times what pax airline pilots bring in, and should be compensated accordingly. Too bad.

C

The problem is is that when the legacy carriers were doing great, the company didn't want to compare but the pilots did. When the legacy carriers were not doing well, the company wanted to compare but the pilots didn't. The company wants to have it both ways but so do the pilots and that just ain't gonna happen.
 
What you say is mostly correct, but your reasoning is a little off. UPS wants it both ways, and since a majority of the pilots voted yes, they got what they wanted. The key is comparison to companies that mirror your own financial state. UPS was making money when the passenger airlines were doing well, and they are making even more now. Remember when you vote on the next contract in 2013 0r 2014 (yes, after a 3 year delay) that you were tricked in 2006.
 
Browntothebone said:
Remember when you vote on the next contract in 2013 0r 2014 (yes, after a 3 year delay) that you were tricked in 2006.

I'm sure we'll be fixing crap from this one.
 
Psysicx: Yes they do. UPS have Reserve call in for night and day reserve (CA and CP respectively) They go pretty junior as they are usually used to disperse open time and usually get called before the short call guys get called. There are some guys that work the system very well and have it down to a fine science and dodge the flying while on 24 hour call in. Don't ask me how they do it.
 
Corona said:
Pilots, or any other employee, need to be paid for their productivity; ie, how much money they make for their company.
So, when your gardner comes to you and says, "Hey, I hear you got a big raise. Congratulations! But since I'M the guy who mows your lawn, thus allowing you to be gone 16 days a month, I figure I ought to get one of those "signing bonuses" too. In fact, since I should have raised my rates 3 years ago but didn't, I want an immediate "signing bonus" of say, 25% of what I billed you last year, in addition to an increase of 10% on future billing. I don't CARE what other gardners in the neighborhood make. This is what I want. You're a rich airline pilot, you can afford it."

If you really believe that how much money you make should be a factor in how much you pay for services, you'd agree to his request for an increase in his rates and write him a check to compensate him for all the years he didn't get a raise.

If it were me, I'd be looking for a new gardner...
 
Whistlin' Dan said:
So, when your gardner comes to you and says, "Hey, I hear you got a big raise. Congratulations! But since I'M the guy who mows your lawn, thus allowing you to be gone 16 days a month, I figure I ought to get one of those "signing bonuses" too. In fact, since I should have raised my rates 3 years ago but didn't, I want an immediate "signing bonus" of say, 25% of what I billed you last year, in addition to an increase of 10% on future billing. I don't CARE what other gardners in the neighborhood make. This is what I want. You're a rich airline pilot, you can afford it."

If you really believe that how much money you make should be a factor in how much you pay for services, you'd agree to his request for an increase in his rates and write him a check to compensate him for all the years he didn't get a raise.

If it were me, I'd be looking for a new gardner...

Just fire him for sleeping with your wife!
 
24 hr call out wouldn't be bad since you could commute. Are you seat locked or can you bid to another jet right away?
 
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