More signs the ATR is going away.

[ASA_Aviator]

Spoken like someone with a cubicle in the GO.

This "y'all suck, clean it up or we're out of business" lecture is sooooooo last year. We're over it.

All of you in management need to do YOUR jobs and go beat the bushes to get us some flying. WE ARE doing our part. ASA's performance is better than ever and still improving. Now it's up to YOU GO RATS to hold Delta's feet to the fire to improve ground servicing and make truthful delay codes.

BUT STOP BLAMING THE F***ING PILOTS FOR ASA'S PROBLEMS!!!!!!!

Uh....read my post again man. I wasn't blaming the pilots for anything. And I wasn't saying that the pilots suck at all. We, the pilots, do an excellent job, and I think that management realizes that. All I said was that we all play our part, and that we all need to join a team atmosphere to be successful.

Your post, and the attitude that goes along with it, is what will prevent us from reaching our full potential. The people in the G/O work hard too, and they want us to be as successful as you do. We all work for ASA, including those "G/O rats" you were talking about.

My point was that George and John are gone, and we need to get rid of this divisiveness, and give SkyWest a chance. Brad Holt has done good things for us already. Let's see where his leadership takes us, and stop calling people names.

Essentially.....Grow up.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Uh....read my post again man. I wasn't blaming the pilots for anything. And I wasn't saying that the pilots suck at all. We, the pilots, do an excellent job, and I think that management realizes that. All I said was that we all play our part, and that we all need to join a team atmosphere to be successful.

Your post, and the attitude that goes along with it, is what will prevent us from reaching our full potential. The people in the G/O work hard too, and they want us to be as successful as you do. We all work for ASA, including those "G/O rats" you were talking about.

My point was that George and John are gone, and we need to get rid of this divisiveness, and give SkyWest a chance. Brad Holt has done good things for us already. Let's see where his leadership takes us, and stop calling people names.

Essentially.....Grow up.

I second that. JP lives in his own world where he thinks that everyone in the ASA pilot group shares his beliefs. There's a good word that describes him, and that word is fanaticism.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I agree...positive changes are happening....some people just can't stand it.....

 

[Tarzan]

But whatever shall we do when the number of the things we can complain about, begin to dwindle?

 

[777forever]

...."the market would bear"? I thought pilot pay didn't decide who got airplanes....Horizon makes money and they make significantly more than we do on the 700.....You're not going to argue because you can't win this one....

Once again.....either pilot pay does matter in the portfolio, OR we came up well short of what we should be making on the 700...Pick a side and stick with it.....




That's not exactly what I was advocating......My point was that there were 4 areas that we were holding out for up until 4+ years into negotiations that were not supported by the industry standard.

They were:

1. Large payraises on the 700
2. B fund retirement plan
3. 100% retro pay
4. Leaving the instructor section status quo

We didn't get them did we? Industry standard didn't support these 4 large ticket items.....and the MEC finally dropped these demands....That's why we have an agreement today.....

We are competing with PCL, Mesa, mainline, CMR, Skywest, and CHQ......Pilot pay does matter when you compete for flying within a brand.....Either prevent the competition within the brand, or accept it and deal with it.....

I talked to an ALPA rep who has analyzed all regional pay including payrates and more importantly, WORK RULES. Horizon may have higher 700 pay than ASA but ASA's work rules are far superior. When all the soft pay is factored in, ASA 700 pays more.

 

[777forever]

0 200 Cptn Vacancies for latest prelims
0 ATR Cptn Vacancies for latest prelims

I've been here for just 3 months and I was able to figure out that is was an extra prelim. Makes me wonder how informed some of you really are...

 

[JettBoii]

Go feather a prop Toolbox.

 

[777forever]

Go feather a prop Toolbox.

Okay, hard to respond to an uninformed remark from an uninformed person...

 

[Cpt Oveur]

I talked to an ALPA rep who has analyzed all regional pay including payrates and more importantly, WORK RULES. Horizon may have higher 700 pay than ASA but ASA's work rules are far superior. When all the soft pay is factored in, ASA 700 pays more.

Horizon's aircraft payrates are not so cut and dry. You are compensated on the aircraft pay rate that corresponds to your percentile in seniority. The dash 200 is the lowest, the CRJ-700 the highest, Q400 in the middle. A very senior FO flying the Dash 200 would be compensated on the CRJ-700 rate. Don't ask me why they do this, ask a Horizon pilot to explain it better. It was explained to me by a 200 FO.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I've been here for just 3 months and I was able to figure out that is was an extra prelim. Makes me wonder how informed some of you really are...

600 hours and 3 months, most of which has been spent in training. Let me guess? Riddle intern at one point?

Have fun with this guy Joe and John. :laugh:

 

[777forever]

600 hours and 3 months, most of which has been spent in training. Let me guess? Riddle intern at one point?

Have fun with this guy Joe and John. :laugh:

Riddle intern? Nope, far from it. Nice try though, lots of Riddle cats around here. Don't take it personally or anything but Im just shocked seasoned ASA pilots couldn't figure out the latest prelim was an extra one.

 

[coorsFlight]

Riddle intern? Nope, far from it. Nice try though, lots of Riddle cats around here. Don't take it personally or anything but Im just shocked seasoned ASA pilots couldn't figure out the latest prelim was an extra one.

You must be fun to fly with!

 

[sweptback]

Horizon's aircraft payrates are not so cut and dry. You are compensated on the aircraft pay rate that corresponds to your percentile in seniority. The dash 200 is the lowest, the CRJ-700 the highest, Q400 in the middle. A very senior FO flying the Dash 200 would be compensated on the CRJ-700 rate. Don't ask me why they do this, ask a Horizon pilot to explain it better. It was explained to me by a 200 FO.

Not to mention they don't get block or better! Keep in mind too that because of the above system a good number of CRJ FOs aren't paid at the CRJ rate.

 

[PositionandHold]

Riddle intern? Nope, far from it. Nice try though, lots of Riddle cats around here. Don't take it personally or anything but Im just shocked seasoned ASA pilots couldn't figure out the latest prelim was an extra one.

I've been here for a little while and I didn't know it was an extra prelim, either. I don't even know wtf an extra prelim is.

Are you the same 777forever from jetcareers. This isn't jetcareers. They let you off lightly there last time you got cocky.

You got 600 hours from the 90 day fasttrack program at ATP? You'd have been better off if you just let everyone think you were a riddle intern,

 

[777forever]

Not to mention they don't get block or better! Keep in mind too that because of the above system a good number of CRJ FOs aren't paid at the CRJ rate.

Exactly! Everyone gets so caught up in Horizons rates that many forget the backbone of any good contract is superior work rules. Horizon is not as high paying as many think. In fact, not even industry leading. The ALPA study found XJET to be the highest paying. I wonder where ASA would rank now that we have the new contract. I know we're above Horizon for sure.