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I've been out of the loop for a while and holy cow as Harry Carrey used to say. There is no need for a war, we are all in the same boat and the old addage as so many have said lately, I don't need to outrun a bear in the woods, even if he has dingleberries by the way, I only need to outrun you. Which is what YX and FL are trying to do in MKE. Whoever wrote profitable at 106/tix is crazy, I'm sorry if you haven't noticed this isn't the first quarter anymore. Oil has gone up 25 dollars more a barrel!!!! I have a hard time believing that it even worked then... Anyway however FL is doing in MKE if you try to book a tix on FL direct to most of the cities that they just added after sept 4 those flights no longer exist according to your booking website. Try to book flights and see what happens. LGA, ATL, BWI, Florida are still there, but most of the others are gone. If it is any consolation prize to you Airtran folks, I hear that our Sept bookings are awful and that we are going to furlough another 40-75 flight attendants. No word on pilots yet, but aren't we always the last to know. Also, Kolshack leaving with no notice, what is up with that. And for those of you who have forgotten, Richard Shifter in NYC is now in charge of our airline. It is even stated so on YXnet. I don't know how much power that Tim H. still has. I heard that all decisions now go through a higher power(not the 737 training facility that I wish I had gone to years ago) but RS in NYC. I wish us all the best and hope that good, bad, ugly whatever you want to call mngmnt that we can all land on our feet from this as for spelling and politics, aren't we all in trouble. God bless you all and here's hoping for a coal or synthetic based jet fuel sooooooon.
 
Was that english?
 
Shi*, That is 5 minutes of my life I will never get back reading this crap thread.

I wonder if the executives sit around and speculate about flying the airplane. 'I bet he deviates left around the wx. No way, Airtran always goes right. How do they know which way to go? I wonder what his tilt setting is? '

Most of us are like private pilots in the board room. We only know enough to really screw ourselves up, but we love to sound impressive.

BTW, yield info on every route can be derived through analysis of the T100 data each of the major airlines are required to report to DOT. Thats why they get the big bucks, and we get the furloughs.
 
The reason the west coast flights are not in the system after Sept 4 is because they are seasonal. This is not a reaction to low demand after the fact. The west coast flights were always advertised as seasonal with no intention of continuing beyond Labor Day. This is exactly what FL did the first year they served SEA from ATL.
 
Relax the grammar lessons!!!
Those of you who constantly have to critique everyone else, must think so highly of yourselves. Congratulations! Now if you think your could learn a second or third language and then specialize in aviation and then post on the web about your feelings and not get anything mispelled then you can continue to bash flywolf, otherwise, back off and shut up! He's a great guy with a great attitude, lighten up on the guy. I hope Midwest does get new aircrafts soon!
 
Flydaplane said:
Relax the grammar lessons!!!
Those of you who constantly have to critique everyone else, must think so highly of yourselves. Congratulations! Now if you think your could learn a second or third language and then specialize in aviation and then post on the web about your feelings and not get anything mispelled then you can continue to bash flywolf, otherwise, back off and shut up! He's a great guy with a great attitude, lighten up on the guy. I hope Midwest does get new aircrafts soon!
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:D thanks Flydaplane, I don't even care to give them my valuable attention. When they can grow up and maybe just be able to speak 3 languages then they can come and bash my spelling anytime.

How the heck are you, haven't seen you here in a while, I hope you know that you made a great decision not too long ago ;)
 
"God bless you all and here's hoping for a coal or synthetic based jet fuel sooooooon."

Synthetic fuel? How about drilling for the oil we already have?
 
T3700 said:
"God bless you all and here's hoping for a coal or synthetic based jet fuel sooooooon."

Synthetic fuel? How about drilling for the oil we already have?
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Drilling for oil isn't the problem, it's the lack of capacity at the national refineries which is limiting gasoline and avgas supplies.
 
After reading 9 pages of this crap, let me state the obvious:
  • That was 15 minutes of my life I will never get back
  • AirTran reportedly paid in the $30M range for the aircraft, and at an interest rate of "less than 5%" (believe it or leave it). Selling those options in today's environment is probably a smart move, much like selling a boat in the summer, before a Fall furlough.
  • Last time I checked, we're all pilots, and anyone who thinks they are somehow wiser, smarter or more virile simply by virtue of which airline hired them is not an "idiot savant", but just a "garden-variety" idiot, in my book.
  • A rising tide lifts all ships, and the current environment is lousy for all pilots. We're all in this together; how about treating your colleagues with respect . . . . you've got a lot more in common with them than you do the management responsible for this Industry buffoonery.
Over and Out.
 
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Ty Webb said:
After reading 9 pages of this crap, let me state the obvious:
  • That was 15 minutes of my life I will never get back
  • AirTran reportedly paid in the $30M range for the aircraft, and at an interest rate of "less than 5%" (believe it or leave it). Selling those options in today's environment is probably a smart move, much like selling a boat in the summer, before a Fall furlough.
  • Last time I checked, we're all pilots, and anyone who thinks they are somehow wiser, smarter or more virile simply by virtue of which airline hired them is not an "idiot savant", but just a "garden-variety" idiot, in my book.
  • A rising tide lifts all ships, and the current environment is lousy for all pilots. We're all in this together; how about treating your colleagues with respect . . . . you've got a lot more in common with them than you do the management responsible for this Industry buffoonery.
Over and Out.
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Well said!
 
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Midwest Airlines explores restructuring plans

Consultant firm to create plan to help cut costs

By TOM DAYKIN
[email protected]

Posted: June 13, 2008

Oak Creek-based Midwest Airlines Inc., facing record prices for jet fuel, is working on a comprehensive restructuring plan that could result in additional service and job cuts.
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Midwest has hired aviation consultant Seabury Group to help create the plan, according to a memo to employees from Chairman and Chief Executive Timothy Hoeksema. He told employees the restructuring work will be completed within several weeks.
Midwest and other airlines “are facing extremely difficult times,” Hoeksema said in the memo.
Airline spokesman Michael Brophy said Friday that details of what Midwest is considering would not be released at this time.
“Just like every airline in America, we’re having to take a look at everything in our operations,” Brophy said.
Midwest and other carriers are reducing routes and trimming jobs because of soaring fuel costs. In April, Midwest said it would cut 109 employees, amounting to a 3.5% work force reduction. Most of the service cuts are scheduled to take place after the peak summer travel season.
Hoeksema, in his memo, said Midwest began dealing with fuel price increases several months ago. “We had a good plan in place at that time, and we made initial progress,” Hoeksema said. “But our situation, driven by rapid and unpredictable spikes in oil prices, worsened. So we are accelerating the development and execution of a comprehensive restructuring plan.
“I remain confident that we are up to this challenge. But it requires an ongoing commitment to execution and a sense of urgency among each and every employee when it comes to customer service, operations and every area of the airline,” he said.
New York-based Seabury Group provides investment banking, financial advisory, restructuring and other consulting services for the transportation and logistics industries, according to the firm’s Internet site.
In the restructuring area, Seabury’s record includes serving as investment banker and principal restructuring adviser to Northwest Airlines Corp. from 2005 to 2007 in its restructuring and emergence from Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Northwest owns a 47% stake in Midwest Air Group Inc., the corporate parent of Midwest Airlines, with investment firm TPG Capital owning the majority stake.
Seabury also was an adviser to US Airways Corp. in its emergence from Chapter 11 and merger with America West Airlines in 2005.
The Seabury plan for Midwest could include a negotiation for lower lease rates on Midwest’s aircraft, said aviation industry consultant Scott Hamilton. Midwest’s main fleet is leased from aircraft maker Boeing Co.
Also, there will likely be additional service cuts, particularly Midwest flights to less profitable leisure destinations, said Hamilton, who operates Leeham Co. of Issaquah, Wash.
Midwest may not have much room for additional flight cuts, said Capt. Jay Schnedorf, chairman of the Air Line Pilots Association’s Midwest unit.
“The airline has already downsized,” Schnedorf said. “I have serious concerns as to their ability to downsize much further and realistically expect to remain a viable operation. You can’t shrink to profitability.”
The pilots union has asked for detailed financial information to prepare for a presentation by Seabury, Schnedorf said. But Midwest executives haven’t been willing to provide that information, he said.
The company wants to suspend its contributions to the pilots’ pension plan for at least one year and impose a wage freeze, Schnedorf said.
 
I strongly feel that this is TPG sending in the Bobs (office space). I don't think Tim would hire these guys, its like admitting failure.
 
i've got one cost saving suggestion. every two weeks i get a check for $0 mailed to my house. is this really necessary?

usually bringing in a consultant for efficiency is a sign of an impending merger or sale. eagle brought bain in and a year later they were for sale. perhaps it ain't TPG but NWA/DAL bringing them in.
 
CitationLover said:
i've got one cost saving suggestion. every two weeks i get a check for $0 mailed to my house. is this really necessary?
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same here! i believe this is their way of informing us we're still on furlough. they could at least send a "care" package of cookies every now and then!
 
jravi8tor said:
same here! i believe this is their way of informing us we're still on furlough. they could at least send a "care" package of cookies every now and then!
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yes it is the ole timmay reminding us of what losers we are.

flywolf: are the senior wh0res still picking up OT and bragging about their 100+ hours of credit? someone should smack their momma's.
 
CitationLover said:
yes it is the ole timmay reminding us of what losers we are.

flywolf: are the senior wh0res still picking up OT and bragging about their 100+ hours of credit? someone should smack their momma's.
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FO wise there is no open time at all, but it is a totally different story in the Capt side, a capt told me they have two pages of open time, I am sure the wh0res from the left seats are picking up open time, they are ja'ing captains a lot also.
 
FlyWolf said:
I really hope TPG sends in the Bobs (or take any action at this point).
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Wow, Wolf, you sound really down. Hang in there as much as you can, if it's the end I hope for all yous guys sake that make it fairly quick and painless. Doubtful, but that's what I hope for.

CL- At this point, I don't think picking up opentime really matters. I agree with the principal of not doing it, but I don't think it will change the outcome. If Tim and the crew can't restructure 40 aircraft and whatever Skywest does at this point, I don't see where this firm will do anything more than find buyers for Midwest's assets (NW).
 
Propsync said:
Wow, Wolf, you sound really down. Hang in there as much as you can, if it's the end I hope for all yous guys sake that make it fairly quick and painless. Doubtful, but that's what I hope for.

CL- At this point, I don't think picking up opentime really matters. I agree with the principal of not doing it, but I don't think it will change the outcome. If Tim and the crew can't restructure 40 aircraft and whatever Skywest does at this point, I don't see where this firm will do anything more than find buyers for Midwest's assets (NW).
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the point of not picking up open time is nothing about operations but simply the fact of a simple notion of coming together of the pilot group.

and yes JA'ing HURTS midwest more than OT as we have NO OT premium versus a 50% premium for JA'ing.
 
CitationLover said:
the point of not picking up open time is nothing about operations but simply the fact of a simple notion of coming together of the pilot group.

and yes JA'ing HURTS midwest more than OT as we have NO OT premium versus a 50% premium for JA'ing.
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I know, CL. I'm just saying that most see the end here, and it doesn't make a difference. What good is unity if you have nothing to be unified about?
 

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