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Midwest getting new aircrafts????

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CitationLover said:
i've got one cost saving suggestion. every two weeks i get a check for $0 mailed to my house. is this really necessary?
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same here! i believe this is their way of informing us we're still on furlough. they could at least send a "care" package of cookies every now and then!
 
jravi8tor said:
same here! i believe this is their way of informing us we're still on furlough. they could at least send a "care" package of cookies every now and then!
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yes it is the ole timmay reminding us of what losers we are.

flywolf: are the senior wh0res still picking up OT and bragging about their 100+ hours of credit? someone should smack their momma's.
 
CitationLover said:
yes it is the ole timmay reminding us of what losers we are.

flywolf: are the senior wh0res still picking up OT and bragging about their 100+ hours of credit? someone should smack their momma's.
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FO wise there is no open time at all, but it is a totally different story in the Capt side, a capt told me they have two pages of open time, I am sure the wh0res from the left seats are picking up open time, they are ja'ing captains a lot also.
 
FlyWolf said:
I really hope TPG sends in the Bobs (or take any action at this point).
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Wow, Wolf, you sound really down. Hang in there as much as you can, if it's the end I hope for all yous guys sake that make it fairly quick and painless. Doubtful, but that's what I hope for.

CL- At this point, I don't think picking up opentime really matters. I agree with the principal of not doing it, but I don't think it will change the outcome. If Tim and the crew can't restructure 40 aircraft and whatever Skywest does at this point, I don't see where this firm will do anything more than find buyers for Midwest's assets (NW).
 
Propsync said:
Wow, Wolf, you sound really down. Hang in there as much as you can, if it's the end I hope for all yous guys sake that make it fairly quick and painless. Doubtful, but that's what I hope for.

CL- At this point, I don't think picking up opentime really matters. I agree with the principal of not doing it, but I don't think it will change the outcome. If Tim and the crew can't restructure 40 aircraft and whatever Skywest does at this point, I don't see where this firm will do anything more than find buyers for Midwest's assets (NW).
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the point of not picking up open time is nothing about operations but simply the fact of a simple notion of coming together of the pilot group.

and yes JA'ing HURTS midwest more than OT as we have NO OT premium versus a 50% premium for JA'ing.
 
CitationLover said:
the point of not picking up open time is nothing about operations but simply the fact of a simple notion of coming together of the pilot group.

and yes JA'ing HURTS midwest more than OT as we have NO OT premium versus a 50% premium for JA'ing.
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I know, CL. I'm just saying that most see the end here, and it doesn't make a difference. What good is unity if you have nothing to be unified about?
 
Propsync said:
I know, CL. I'm just saying that most see the end here, and it doesn't make a difference. What good is unity if you have nothing to be unified about?
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well we can SPECULATE all we want. we are still in contract negotiations this year and still must proceed with the assumption of the company surviving on an ongoing basis.
 
Back to the title of this thread, maybe the 14 aircraft (A319/320,B757) that big bad part owner NW are parking will be our MD80 replacement!
 
TheJCNIs said:
Back to the title of this thread, maybe the 14 aircraft (A319/320,B757) that big bad part owner NW are parking will be our MD80 replacement!
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From what I heard is that when Airbus was visiting about two weeks ago, Boeing showed up at the same time without prior notice.
 
heard they are parking all 80s and furloughing another 70-100.
( this comes from a friend who works at MEH and the rumor was mentioned in the crew room)
 
metroplex said:
heard they are parking all 80s and furloughing another 70-100.
( this comes from a friend who works at MEH and the rumor was mentioned in the crew room)
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this was mentioned as an option for the fall if oil remains high.
 
How could that be an option? I know that the barbie jet burns less fuel, but it also has a $hitload less capacity and much higher lease payments/insurance. The 80 is the airlines heavy lift, long haul aircraft. Every single flight I have done this month has been full or oversold. If we park the 80's then Midwest will lose its hold on MKE. I could see them reducing the schedule this fall, but I doubt they will park the entire fleet. Unless oil is $200/barrel, then all bets are off. 8
 
eightdriver said:
How could that be an option? I know that the barbie jet burns less fuel, but it also has a $hitload less capacity and much higher lease payments/insurance. The 80 is the airlines heavy lift, long haul aircraft. Every single flight I have done this month has been full or oversold. If we park the 80's then Midwest will lose its hold on MKE. I could see them reducing the schedule this fall, but I doubt they will park the entire fleet. Unless oil is $200/barrel, then all bets are off. 8
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Lets hope this does somthing,

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/06/gas_prices261.html

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eightdriver said:
How could that be an option? I know that the barbie jet burns less fuel, but it also has a $hitload less capacity and much higher lease payments/insurance. The 80 is the airlines heavy lift, long haul aircraft. Every single flight I have done this month has been full or oversold. If we park the 80's then Midwest will lose its hold on MKE. I could see them reducing the schedule this fall, but I doubt they will park the entire fleet. Unless oil is $200/barrel, then all bets are off. 8
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because the 80 serves vacation / leisure destinations which are very LOW yield markets. you can have a 140 people going to vegas cheaply or 88 people going to DCA high a much higher yield.

airlines don't make money on domestic transcons in general, it is the more higher yielding routes that they monopolize where they make their cash.

latest rumor i heard was an MEH offer on some AAI 717's.
 
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