Midwest getting new aircrafts????

[j41driver]

...the new aircrafts...

The plural of aircraft is aircraft.

 

[FlyWolf]

The plural of aircraft is aircraft.

wow, you think? it must be flying those noisy j41 for TSA affecting those brain cells

 

[CitationLover]

Your right, Fuel CASM is now approaching 50% of total CASM. This just increases our advantage as the 737 burns the same amount of gas as the 717 but yet carries 38 more passengers than your 717's (and I won't even begin to compare our 737's with your MD-80's).

whats a lease payment on an 80 to a brand new 737? how about hull insurance on a $4 million dollar airplane versus a $60 million dollar one? last i checked allegiant was doing quite well on the 80.

 

[CitationLover]

You also have to ask how much of this traffic is MKE origination or destination. I believe our BOS, LGA, and DCA flights are timed to connect with our west coast service and vice versa. That means the bigger markets we are actually going after our big west coast cities to the big northeast cities with origination MKE traffic as gravy on top.

once again trans-continental traffic is a low YIELD market. BOS-LAX, LGA-LAX, etc.

 

[CitationLover]

Why wait 24 years to compare CASM's. The battle is now in 2008 for market share in MKE. The only thing that matters in this battle is Airtran's 15 year CASM vs Midwest's 24 year CASM. And Airtran can be profitable at a lower yield than Midwest due to our lower CASM.

We also have enough established routes to redeploy our aircraft to the routes that suit the season. Airtran is a very nimble airline in this respect. We don't stick with certain cities year round because they are not profitable year round.

well keep issuing convertible debt for cash raising purposes. it smacks of desperation.

the point is BOTH airlines are losing plenty these days and it is only worse by YOURS using predatory pricing in MKE. MEH has some deep pockets backing them to make sure AAI does not succeed in MKE (DAL does not want them to be there). sure they will dismantle us piece by piece, but in the long run the new DAL wants MEH in MKE and not AAI.

and a STATION MANAGER is not a credible source for how well revenue wise a station is doing. they will be the second to last to know, after the chief pilot. of course they're going to say they're "happy" with the performance.

with stagnant growth in the foreseeable future for AAI that low non-fuel CASM will only GROW and the bubble may burst.

How does your management know how many seats were bought at discount and how many were bought at full fare business class? I think the only one that know the true avg fare on our routes out of MKE are our bean counters in MCO. I don't even think you will find that information in our second quarter earnings release when it comes out.

it ain't rocket science. think of your management. are they that smart? of course not. ours is the same way.

aviation managers simply use a herd mentality and match fares, ie they legally price fix.

 

[b82rez]

my f~cking lord....

Do you Air Tran guys really want us to do that badly, that you keep spouting your mouths off over and over again on every Midwest thread?

Or are you just responding to the posts of CitationLover, who everyone here knows should just keep his rediculous mouth shut.

Enough already... I know this is a playground message board. But just have some respect. Bashing each other won't make us go out of business any sooner. It's coming soon enough.

 

[russtgol]

my f~cking lord....

Do you Air Tran guys really want us to do that badly, that you keep spouting your mouths off over and over again on every Midwest thread?

Or are you just responding to the posts of CitationLover, who everyone here knows should just keep his rediculous mouth shut.

Enough already... I know this is a playground message board. But just have some respect. Bashing each other won't make us go out of business any sooner. It's coming soon enough.

Yeah I heard by December Midwest will be shutting the doors..

 

[CitationLover]

Or are you just responding to the posts of CitationLover, who everyone here knows should just keep his rediculous mouth shut.

it's ridiculous maroon.

you must be one of the wh0res picking up open time to keep your monthly credit up.

 

[metroplex]

Yeah I heard by December Midwest will be shutting the doors..
Yeah, a month after AAI....
AAI is pulling out of BOS already, that's from a gate agent (AAI) in BOS....The 737 has to have a high load factor, if it runs against the 717 on certain routes. the 717 burns much less fuel. Against the 80 the 737 is much better .And the statements regarding AAI is doing great out of MKE from your CP. What else is he going to say. He knows that the ship is sinking. from 10% growth to- no growth aircraft deliveries pushed back, selling options to get cash, stockprice at around 3$.....

 

[Kharma Police]

it's ridiculous maroon.

you must be one of the wh0res picking up open time to keep your monthly credit up.

Calling one of your own pilots a shade of "purple", I say you have crossed the line, sir!!!

BTW, I hope you guy's get Airbus Aircrafts(sic).

 

[jravi8tor]

whats a lease payment on an 80 to a brand new 737? how about hull insurance on a $4 million dollar airplane versus a $60 million dollar one? last i checked allegiant was doing quite well on the 80.

a lease payment on an '80 is around 100K give or take a few thousand $, vs. 425K plus for a 73NG.
by the way did you see an article about how Hoeskema should get a thank you card for keeping Midwest private, I personally believe he should get a few extra thank you cards, a cookie platter and flower bouquet for the 35 furloughs (I'm lovin' my summer off!), 22 captain downgrades, 15 volunatary furloughs from F/A's and shutting down Skyway!

 

[deadstick]

by the way did you see an article about how Hoeskema should get a thank you card

You are kidding, right?

 

[jehtplane]

whats a lease payment on an 80 to a brand new 737? how about hull insurance on a $4 million dollar airplane versus a $60 million dollar one? last i checked allegiant was doing quite well on the 80.

60 Million Dollars! Don't think we paid near that much for the 737's

 

[jravi8tor]

You are kidding, right?

here's the link to the article, basically only time will tell if it was a wise move on Midwest part to remain a stand alone carrier..... their basis for the "THANK YOU CARDS" is shareholders received $17.00 a share.

http://www.biztimes.com/blogs/milwa...lders-should-send-thank-you-cards-to-hoeksema

 

[Captainjerky]

Hoeksema Party

If we're having a "Get the Hell out of the Industry" party for Uncle Timmy, let me know. I'll arrange a tour bus full of ex-Skyway'ers and bring lots of party favors for decorating the front lawn.

 

[jravi8tor]

If we're having a "Get the Hell out of the Industry" party for Uncle Timmy, let me know. I'll arrange a tour bus full of ex-Skyway'ers and bring lots of party favors for decorating the front lawn.

I'm sure hoping Hallmark makes one of those cards "Get the hell out of the industry". Unfortunately, I don't see MCI anymore (being furloughed) other wise I would make a personal trip to their facility to request one!

 

[deadstick]

here's the link to the article, basically only time will tell if it was a wise move on Midwest part to remain a stand alone carrier..... their basis for the "THANK YOU CARDS" is shareholders received $17.00 a share.

I can see it from the shareholder's perspective. They got a bunch of money. Didn't TH make the argument when AAI made the first offer that he could ignore the shareholders wishes and make decisions based on "the good of the company?" Then he turned around, gave them the $$ (and put $10M in his pocket), screwed the company, screwed the employees, and screwed the city.

I can think of a long list of things I'd like to send that SOB, and a thank you card is not one of them.

 

[ultrarunner]

here's the link to the article, basically only time will tell if it was a wise move on Midwest part to remain a stand alone carrier..... their basis for the "THANK YOU CARDS" is shareholders received $17.00 a share.

http://www.biztimes.com/blogs/milwa...lders-should-send-thank-you-cards-to-hoeksema

Yep, any shareholder can go right back to AAI and thank them for the initial offer that essentially resulted in TH having to cut a deal with TPG.

AAI forced the hand of MEH. Had TH NOT been able to sell out to TPG, the AAI offer would have expired and the stock would have been right back to 4 bucks or so as it was prior to the AAI offer.

No question that shareholders should be happy!

 

[jravi8tor]

I can see it from the shareholder's perspective. They got a bunch of money. Didn't TH make the argument when AAI made the first offer that he could ignore the shareholders wishes and make decisions based on "the good of the company?" Then he turned around, gave them the $$ (and put $10M in his pocket), screwed the company, screwed the employees, and screwed the city.

I can think of a long list of things I'd like to send that SOB, and a thank you card is not one of them.

one thing that does come to mind is from the movie billy madison, a paper bag on fire full of dog Sh** on his door step!

 

[CitationLover]

a lease payment on an '80 is around 100K give or take a few thousand $, vs. 425K plus for a 73NG.
by the way did you see an article about how Hoeskema should get a thank you card for keeping Midwest private, I personally believe he should get a few extra thank you cards, a cookie platter and flower bouquet for the 35 furloughs (I'm lovin' my summer off!), 22 captain downgrades, 15 volunatary furloughs from F/A's and shutting down Skyway!

it was 20 downgrades.

and if i was a shareholder, then TH appears to be a genius. too bad i am not one, simply a minion employee.

how much is a 737-7 if not $60m? this seems to think my figure was reasonable.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/prices/

On a serious note....
All Midwest pilots. Give to the GB fund please.