Mica trying to fast-track Age 65 - 12/6/07

[PCL_128]

Time to start making phone calls to the white house to remind President Bush about how important it is to keep spending levels down.

 

[Freight Dog]

Caveman, I have a 7% B-plan at my airline, and a C-plan currently at 4% for my age group that's supposed to go to 12% in 2012. We lost our A-plan in bankruptcy.

These percentages are based on Age 60 retirement.

Airlines with retirement packages use life expectancy formulas. It stands to reason that simply by being able to work 5 more years, some bean counter will argue that I won't need as much in retirement benefits since my life expectancy from my retirement date is now reduced by 5 years.

Can you honestly tell me that you think that the management bean counters will ignore that and allow me to keep my B-plan and C-plan in status quo thereby allowing me to retire at 60?

 

[Mamma]

Then you should change your profile because a NEOCON is a very bad word and it doesn't mean ultraconservative. NEOCONs are corporate fascists who wish to take the power of the government out of the elected officials hands and control it from their elite inner circles. NEOCON's are war mongers who want one world government, martial law, and the end of the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and any freedom a free society possess.

NEOCON's are the enemy of America just like Jihadist terrorist.

Being ultraconservative and a libertarian do not agree with being a NEOCON. Your Marine insignia also does not agree with being a NEOCON. I know of no Marines that advocate and promote war. Marines only become involved as a last resort serving with duty and honor.

You should change your profile because NEOCONs are disgusting slime controlled by power and greed.

Put down ultraconservative/libertarian which would be accurate and admirable.

Looks like somebody is off their meds! I think you should lighten up Francis and clean the spit off your monitor.

 

[AV80R]

Neocons aren't fascists...

Of course not. I also think it's much better to be labeled a neocon rather than a neocom. In other words neo-conservative (Limbaugh, etc.) vs. neo-communist (Pelosi, Boxer, etc)...
Neocons are annoying, neocoms are dangerous!

That's just my opinion of course...

 

[strega7]

Of course not. I also think it's much better to be labeled a neocon rather than a neocom. In other words neo-conservative (Limbaugh, etc.) vs. neo-communist (Pelosi, Boxer, etc)...
Neocons are annoying, neocoms are dangerous!

That's just my opinion of course...

neo-conservative (abbreviated as neo-con or neocon) is part of a U.S. based political movement rooted in liberal Cold War anticommunism and a backlash to the social liberation movements of the 1960s and 1970s. These liberals drifted toward conservatism: thus they are new (neo) conservatives. They favor an aggressive unilateral U.S. foreign policy. They generally believe that elites protect democracy from mob rule. Sometimes the spelling is "neoconservative."

Rush used to be a liberal?

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I heard that Rush WAS a liberal. His radio show, at first, was liberal. But, he didn't have high enough ratings, so he changed it to a conservative to become more popular and make more money.

cliff
YIP

 

[PCL_128]

Hi!

I heard that Rush WAS a liberal. His radio show, at first, was liberal. But, he didn't have high enough ratings, so he changed it to a conservative to become more popular and make more money.

cliff
YIP

You heard wrong.

 

[AV80R]

Then you should change your profile because a NEOCON is a very bad word and it doesn't mean ultraconservative. NEOCONs are corporate fascists who wish to take the power of the government out of the elected officials hands and control it from their elite inner circles. NEOCON's are war mongers who want one world government, martial law, and the end of the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and any freedom a free society possess.

NEOCON's are the enemy of America just like Jihadist terrorist.
Being ultraconservative and a libertarian do not agree with being a NEOCON. Your Marine insignia also does not agree with being a NEOCON. I know of no Marines that advocate and promote war. Marines only become involved as a last resort serving with duty and honor.

You should change your profile because NEOCONs are disgusting slime controlled by power and greed.

Put down ultraconservative/libertarian which would be accurate and admirable.

Let me start of by saying that we agree in one area - you are indeed lucky-to-have-a-job...

Neocon "are the enemy of America just like Jihadist terrorist"?

Wow, maybe you need to educate yourself on the meaning of the prefix “neo” which simply means 'new' or 'new beginning' – in other words neo-conservative means new-conservative NOT a conservative 'formerly known' as a liberal.
What amazes me is that you seem to spew out all this hate toward “corporate fascists” “war mongers” who want “one world government.” To me it sounds like something I’ve read about in the past. There used to be another leftist party not too long ago that tried just that; they wanted a one-world government and they used ‘martial law’ to speed up their “revolution”; they also defined the term “war monger" for many generations to come, if not forever.

Initially they called themselves the German Workers Party (DAP) however they wanted to emphasize their socialist roots and changed the name of their organization to the National Socialist German Workers Party, or Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei - NSDAP from which the acronym Nazi was born. We all know how that socialist experiment worked out and even though the leftist massmedia of the world succeded in turning a true leftist organization (that even had “Socialist” as part of their name) into a “rightist” party – the truth is the nazis, the neo-nazis, the communists etc. all hate eachother and will do their best in killing each other off, yet deep inside they are all members of the very same gang – a leftist mob whose members will do whatever takes to cling to power.

So you keep spewing out your hate toward the neo-cons (and I’m not a fan of that “club” either) while I remind you of the roots of the organizations you’re so enfatuated with. Let’s not forget the “beacon” of American freedoms and liberties - the ACLU which I bet you’re an ardent supporter of – the two founders Roger Baldwin and Crystal Eastman founded the ACLU in 1920 along with three other organizations dedicated to the most leftist of causes. Both openly members of the Communist party sought to change the American society. If you goggle ‘ACLU and Baldwin’ you’ll find this statement...

Baldwin wrote:
I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself ... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.

How ironic that an in depth communist organization would claim the title of protector of American liberties some 80 years later.

My whole point is that you should not blindly accuse one side of the equation but rather look at both sides as the truth usually lies somewhere in-between.

 

[hmmm]

I read this in a open forum written to MICA

I appreciate what you are doing to extend the useful life of our most experienced aviators. There is nothing more useful than the experience and foresight gained from years in the left seat of a commercial 121 aircraft staying in the flight deck and not being put out to pasture. It is this life experience I want kept at close hand for safety issues caring for the safe journey of our passengers. I am 41 and as a 121 commercial passenger airline captain I don't want to lose these seasoned professionals to look up to, emulate and transport our most precious cargo, our passengers lives. People can say what they want about aggressive maneuvers and reflexes required in the flight deck but in my years as a flight crew member I have seen 6 engine failures, four operating as a flight crew member, two on the jump seat. I've experienced loss of hydraulics, loss of electric generators, fire in the flight deck as well as many other anomalies and experience and knowledge gained from these experiences is what makes an emergency situation end as just another experience to help train for future situations. I for one don't want to loose these experienced individuals to an archaic ruling that doesn't take into consideration a stipulation that would allow one crew member in the flight deck being younger and the other older crew member holding a wealth of experience and calmness would temper split second decisions which without that previous years of experience could result in exacerbating a situation. Please continue your effort to raise the age to 65 for commercial 121 pilots. I understand that this may take even a few more years but any work in this direction is better than no action taken to further protect and keep on line the wealth of knowledge we lose weekly. Those that act to turn down this direction of safety are those that are only looking to for their own self incentives.




How did this thread get so politically heated so quickly.​

 

[Freight Dog]

Still waiting for Caveman or any pro-65 guy to answer my question regarding retirement effects upon those who want to punch out at 60...

See the previous page for original post...

 

[kwick]

If you have a contract it cannot be changed unilaterally. Period!

 

[jonjuan]

I have seen 6 engine failures, four operating as a flight crew member, two on the jump seat. I've experienced loss of hydraulics, loss of electric generators, fire in the flight deck as well as many other anomalies​

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Do you fly for Aeroflot?

 

[Spooky 2]

Who do you think gets the clearance, loads the box, does the weight and balance, produces the performance numbers and sets up the entire cockpit for the flight?

Those tasks are not done by airport operations. And those tasks are vital for the flight to block out on time.

Lets see some over the hill geezer try to load an ATC clearance with two intersecting airways without a named intersection. It will take ten minutes for the geezer just to get the right chart out of his bag.

The SWA FO have a lot of control over the system and will react badly should this law change. All they have to do is drag their feet for five extra minutes and when the captain blows up on them look over and say," You do it," while think about how old he is!!

Hey Lucky, if loading an FMS, either at the gate or enroute is your personal claim to fame aka, type faster or die" then so be it but I know for fact after watching a few hundred F/O's and Capts that this issue is spread evenly between the ranks. Airway to Airway....gimmee a break, piece of cake.

 

[hmmm]

Do you fly for Aeroflot?

Do u know how to read..........

I said I saw that in an open forum.

I forgive you for I do not read or write good either if you were just perusing through all these posts.

I was googling who Mica is for unbiased opinions.


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[hmmm]

If you have a contract it cannot be changed unilaterally. Period!

I agree. There would have to be some sort of union LOA of some sort. Have different unions been working on this possibility.

 

[FlyByNight1]

Looks like somebody is off their meds! I think you should lighten up Francis and clean the spit off your monitor.

Now thats funny!!!

 

[Flopgut]

If you have a contract it cannot be changed unilaterally. Period!

This is very short sighted.

We have contracts that speak to pilot retirement age. We're all going to go into negotiations wanting a raise, mgts are going to leverage the new age against our deserved raises, we're going to be working for status quo more than for a raise?!

Of course we know how you windfall types are going to vote. Thanks.

 

[SuperFLUF]

Thanks for the site...sent my message supporting the new legislation.

You guy's time would be better served by writing Congress for a change to the near criminal AMT tax situation.

AMT doesn't apply to us since our upgrade is being pushed back. I'll think I'll write for the AMT to stay for another five years............

That way they won't raise MY taxes to make up for the loss of your AMT taxation. I am allready going to lose money when age 65 passes, and then age 70, and age 75.....

Basic retirement investing teaches us about the time value of money invested. Money not saved early in the game makes a BIG difference that can not be made up.

You think YOU lost retirement? My defined benefit pension was supposed to be almost 2 million dollars. Now its gone. And all of my retirement is based on what I earn, which will now be reduced by those who get to keep more of their pension staying longer, and longer and longer.

There is a big cost for those who are hurt by a change to age 65, 70, 75.....retirement. In present earnings and future retirement. Sure we MAY be able to still retire at age 60 if we choose but with far less money. THANKS.

 

[The Prussian]

Sure we MAY be able to still retire at age 60 if we choose but with far less money. THANKS.

And,...how about those who can't...what about them????

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Last year, the floor for AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) was $48K, before Congress raised it at the last minute.

It it's unchanged, the floor will be LESS than $48K this year.

cliff
YIP