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Disregard everything Caveman says. He lists himself as a NEOCON.

That means he was a liberal Democrat turned conservative Republican so he could use the patriotism of the country to dominate foreign affairs beyond American interests prior to 911.

Caveman is a flip flopper. He is for opposite ends of the spectrum at different times.

Caveman has been opposed to changing age 60 and now is for changing age 60.

Caveman is a NEOCON!

What is a NEOCON? http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_196286.html

Based on their definitions I guess I'm not a neocon. I use the term to mean ultraconservative in the same way the liberal media likes to use it as a pejorative when referring to far right wing thinking people. Actually I'm a libertarian.

The rest of your post is nonsense.
 
Who do you think gets the clearance, about 30 seconds...maybe 2 minutes if the freq is busy. Less than 30 seconds with ACARS. loads the box, about 1 1/2 minutes for an average flight does the weight and balance, shouldn't take more than a couple of minutes produces the performance numbers maybe 30 seconds and sets up the entire cockpit for the flight 2 1/2 minutes with no distractions ?

Those tasks are not done by airport operations. And those tasks are vital for the flight to block out on time.

Lets see some over the hill geezer try to load an ATC clearance with two intersecting airways without a named intersection. Let's see...OOD070/DPK228 and enter It will take ten minutes for the geezer just to get the right chart out of his bag.

The SWA FO have a lot of control over the system and will react badly should this law change. All they have to do is drag their feet for five extra minutes and when the captain blows up on them look over and say," You do it," while think about how old he is!!

I think you are overstating the difficulty of your job. You can BS the general public, but everyone here knows that you can turn the cockpit and get a Starbucks faster than the ground crew can turn a jet. If you have problems doing that, maybe you should pay more attention during recurrent. I can't think of any "geezers" I've flown with who've had any problems completing any of the tasks you mentioned. The great majority of "geezers" have been more than willing to spilt up duties between flights. If you find yourself relegated to performing all the preflight duties for all the captains you fly with all of the time, it may be an indication of a problem on your side of the cockpit.
 
You lost me on this. I read it several times and I don't understand what you are saying. Seriously, I'm not flaming you. I don't understand. Explain please.

I'm saying that wages post age 60 should get a haircut in favor of the guy leaving at 60.
 
Based on their definitions I guess I'm not a neocon. I use the term to mean ultraconservative in the same way the liberal media likes to use it as a pejorative when referring to far right wing thinking people. Actually I'm a libertarian.

The rest of your post is nonsense.

Then you should change your profile because a NEOCON is a very bad word and it doesn't mean ultraconservative. NEOCONs are corporate fascists who wish to take the power of the government out of the elected officials hands and control it from their elite inner circles. NEOCON's are war mongers who want one world government, martial law, and the end of the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and any freedom a free society possess.

NEOCON's are the enemy of America just like Jihadist terrorist.

Being ultraconservative and a libertarian do not agree with being a NEOCON. Your Marine insignia also does not agree with being a NEOCON. I know of no Marines that advocate and promote war. Marines only become involved as a last resort serving with duty and honor.

You should change your profile because NEOCONs are disgusting slime controlled by power and greed.

Put down ultraconservative/libertarian which would be accurate and admirable.
 
Wow, that's a little bit over the top.
 
Neocons aren't fascists. There's a happy medium somewhere between fascism and libertarianism. I'm not sure that the neocons have found it, but claiming that anything other than libertarian belief is fascism is ridiculous.
 
Latest update from ALPA

Here´s the latest from ALPA:

ALPA FastRead said:
Transportation Appropriations Likely to Be Part of Omnibus Spending Bill

Change to pilot age limit depends on bill’s passage.

With the end of the year quickly approaching, U.S. Senate leaders have decided against bringing the Transportation Appropriations conference report to the floor for a vote and instead have agreed to expedite the process by rolling it into an omnibus spending package with 10 other unfinished Fiscal 2008 spending bills. The measure would require approval by both the House and the Senate.

The Transportation Appropriations conference report that includes language increasing the mandatory retirement age of airline pilots to 65 was approved by the House of Representatives on November 14 by a 270-147vote. The Senate scuttled plans to vote on the conference report before the Thanksgiving recess after President Bush threatened to veto the bill.

Bush is making similar threats to veto any omnibus spending bill that does not meet his overall funding level. Democrats have proposed spending $23 billion more than Bush but have shaved $10.6 billion from their original plan in an effort to either win over the president or to lure enough congressional Republicans to trump a veto threat.

Much of the federal government is currently operating under a stopgap spending bill known as a continuing resolution (CR), which expires December 14. Congress will probably enact another short-term CR, lasting about a week, to December 21, if the appropriations work is not completed by December 14.

Negotiations between the White House and Congress will ultimately decide whether an agreement on an omnibus spending package can be reached before the end of the year. If a deal can be completed and the president signs the legislation, it will trigger a change to the upper age limit. If a deal cannot be reached, Congress will be forced to pass another CR—funding the government through the early part of next year while allowing negotiations to resume when Congress reconvenes in mid-January 2008.
 
Time to start making phone calls to the white house to remind President Bush about how important it is to keep spending levels down.
 
Caveman, I have a 7% B-plan at my airline, and a C-plan currently at 4% for my age group that's supposed to go to 12% in 2012. We lost our A-plan in bankruptcy.

These percentages are based on Age 60 retirement.

Airlines with retirement packages use life expectancy formulas. It stands to reason that simply by being able to work 5 more years, some bean counter will argue that I won't need as much in retirement benefits since my life expectancy from my retirement date is now reduced by 5 years.

Can you honestly tell me that you think that the management bean counters will ignore that and allow me to keep my B-plan and C-plan in status quo thereby allowing me to retire at 60?
 
Then you should change your profile because a NEOCON is a very bad word and it doesn't mean ultraconservative. NEOCONs are corporate fascists who wish to take the power of the government out of the elected officials hands and control it from their elite inner circles. NEOCON's are war mongers who want one world government, martial law, and the end of the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and any freedom a free society possess.

NEOCON's are the enemy of America just like Jihadist terrorist.

Being ultraconservative and a libertarian do not agree with being a NEOCON. Your Marine insignia also does not agree with being a NEOCON. I know of no Marines that advocate and promote war. Marines only become involved as a last resort serving with duty and honor.

You should change your profile because NEOCONs are disgusting slime controlled by power and greed.

Put down ultraconservative/libertarian which would be accurate and admirable.

Looks like somebody is off their meds! I think you should lighten up Francis and clean the spit off your monitor.
 
Neocons aren't fascists...
Of course not. I also think it's much better to be labeled a neocon rather than a neocom. In other words neo-conservative (Limbaugh, etc.) vs. neo-communist (Pelosi, Boxer, etc)...
Neocons are annoying, neocoms are dangerous!

That's just my opinion of course...
 
Of course not. I also think it's much better to be labeled a neocon rather than a neocom. In other words neo-conservative (Limbaugh, etc.) vs. neo-communist (Pelosi, Boxer, etc)...
Neocons are annoying, neocoms are dangerous!

That's just my opinion of course...
neo-conservative (abbreviated as neo-con or neocon) is part of a U.S. based political movement rooted in liberal Cold War anticommunism and a backlash to the social liberation movements of the 1960s and 1970s. These liberals drifted toward conservatism: thus they are new (neo) conservatives. They favor an aggressive unilateral U.S. foreign policy. They generally believe that elites protect democracy from mob rule. Sometimes the spelling is "neoconservative."
Rush used to be a liberal?
 

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