Mesaba Rapes Labor

[j3ben]

Workin'Stiff,
Does that mean you have to do proving runs on flight simulator at home for the -700?

 

[Rossa]

Workin'Stiff,
Does that mean you have to do proving runs on flight simulator at home for the -700?

Have there been any furloughs on Virtual Mesaba Airlines???

 

[KaptainKarl]

Since you quoted me earlier, I though I'd add a little info. I'm not a AMFA drum beater. I do not believe in concessions. I was a chairman for the strike committee during our contract. Stop generalizing

We know who you are, <edit>.

Some are not walking off to change the industry. Not that nieve. Just sick of the bull$hit.

 

[Rossa]

We know who you are, <edit>.

Some are not walking off to change the industry. Not that nieve. Just sick of the bull$hit.

Naming someone on this board is juvenile. Grow up.

 

[TinGoose1]

PCL 128,

You are correct. However, Mesaba would be the perfect proving ground for this agruement. Don't you think that the company would be less likely to try taking concessions if they knew you would walk? I just can't see how a judge can force a pilot group to work for wages that will not pay the bills. Under these circumstances, a labor force cannot be forced to work for wages that will put them below the poverty level. This would be less of an issue at the majors where the compensation is considerable higher. I'm not sure but I would wager that Mesaba's pay isn't that much higher than the national median income. Either way, I hope you guys stand strong.

 

[avrodriver]

Naming someone on this board is juvenile. Grow up.

I would change the name to XXX on your post Rossa just in case CPT Karl gets some class and takes it off.

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[100LL... Again!]

..... Wrong thread.

 

[PCL_128]

However, Mesaba would be the perfect proving ground for this agruement.

That's certainly true. If we're going to try this out, then trying it at a regional will get the most sympathy from a judge. It's hard to convince a judge that an FO making $23,000 needs a pay cut. Hopefully it won't come to this anyway.

 

[100LL... Again!]

I think that the gia pft'ers should walk out en masse. It would really show that they are willing to take one for the team. Gotta start reducing the pool of candidates somehow.

 

[Ace McCoy]

Don't you remember the NWA strike? Remember how they were going to "reward" us with a flow through for striking with them? That lasted until it was going to cost them something.

Were you even here during the NWA strike?

 

[CWASaab]

That's certainly true. If we're going to try this out, then trying it at a regional will get the most sympathy from a judge. It's hard to convince a judge that an FO making $23,000 needs a pay cut. Hopefully it won't come to this anyway.

Unfortunately what an FO makes won't make a bit of difference in defending the right to take 'self-help' measures following the abrogation of a CBA through the 1113(c) provisions of the Bankruptcy code.

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems pretty plain the issue before a judge would be whether the limitations placed on labor by the RLA still apply, or apply to the agreement impossed by the Bankruptcy Court. To consider wages would be outside the scope of the argument.

If you are thinking that what an FO makes will impact a judge's decision to grant an 1113(c) motion, or give the company exactly what it wants then that is another matter. The Bankruptcy Judge's job is to protect the creditors, not the employees. The company's financial condition, and its prospects of going forward successfully will probably play a larger roll than what a group of employees make.

Either way, there are several groups further along in the process than Mesaba. Aloha airlines filed with the Bankruptcy court its intent to file an 1113(c) motion on Friday and asked for expetided hearings. If filed the motion at Aloha will be heard initially on Oct. 28th and 31st. Aloha's management is desparate to consumate their relationship with Yucaipa and AAIG, and they need concessions to get it done. The pilots are not onboard yet, and it they may very well be the first to test the legal waters.

NWA may also test the waters before Mesaba.

Stay tuned....

 

[Dumbluck]

As far as the 23K goes no a judge probably won't. the concessions will be on a sliding scale most likely. FO's taking a 1% cut or something. A good reponse to wage cuts is to find pilot in the company who is on food stamps, they are out there and ego's be damned and issue a press release, thrown in some thing about excutive retention programs (raises for retards) mgt. shuts up real quick

 

[TinGoose1]

That is the first thing that the Mesaba MEC should do if confronted. Like I posted earlier, it is more likely that a regional pilot will withdraw his/her services before a major/national. People who make more money have more to lose. When you are not making as much as a McDonalds manager flying airplanes that are comparable to the majors, your options are a little more limited. NWA pilots, even with pay cuts, will make a fair wage. Regional pilots with pay cuts will be below the national poverty level. If I were on the Mesaba MEC, this would be the first thing that would go public. When you put your family on an aircraft, do you want the cheapest or the most qualified? If you don't think the two are connected, your fooling yourself. Don't sell your self short and fly for less than your worth.

 

[Mesa Beer]

You are on the way to destruction. You have no chance to survive

 

[kmox29]

Were you even here during the NWA strike?

Thanks to KaptainKarl, you probably know who I am. So why don't you go and find out for yourself if it concerns you so much.

On that note, I can't remember ever seeing a post on here where someone's name is called out. You have a special place in my heart KaptainKarl.

 

[screwed_again]

That is the first thing that the Mesaba MEC should do if confronted. Like I posted earlier, it is more likely that a regional pilot will withdraw his/her services before a major/national. People who make more money have more to lose.

I disagree with you, TinGoose1. The regional guys will stick it out long enough to get out and find a better job. They will complain the whole way, but they won't quit. They still have 25-30 years ahead of them in the BS industry. I suspect XJ not striking after all this bankruptcy BS...90 seaters are on their way!

 

[dbrownie]

. I suspect XJ not striking after all this bankruptcy BS...90 seaters are on their way!

The question is who will fly the 90 seaters?

Dave B

 

[KaptainKarl]

Newsflash!

Well lets call ya kreskin.
XJ doesn't strike as a rule, Duh.
90 seaters to be flown by NWA Lite. (name dujour)

 

[TinGoose1]

Screwed again,

That "if you give in well grow" carrot is used everywhere. If you believe it, now that's another issue all together. I don't think that people will be willing to go into poverty just to fly a 90 seater. This is all predicated on the fact that Mesaba pilots will be able to sit left seat in those aircraft. If McLain has his way, they will be fuloughed NWA pilots in those seats. You guys have more to lose by giving in to management than you have to gain. Either way, I hope you guys hold strong and test the courts ruling.

 

[islandhopper]

Either way, there are several groups further along in the process than Mesaba. Aloha airlines filed with the Bankruptcy court its intent to file an 1113(c) motion on Friday and asked for expetided hearings. If filed the motion at Aloha will be heard initially on Oct. 28th and 31st. Aloha's management is desparate to consumate their relationship with Yucaipa and AAIG, and they need concessions to get it done. The pilots are not onboard yet, and it they may very well be the first to test the legal waters.

NWA may also test the waters before Mesaba.

Stay tuned....

Test the waters? Surf is up in Hawaii! We are getting out our big rhino chaser guns! EDDIE WOULD WALK.

 

[A19]

Knox if you want to remain anonymous you might not want to use a picture of your kid ( I assume) for both your avatar here, and your avatar on the (XJ) Alpa weboards were your name is posted for everybody to read.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Knowing something is very different from telling, or in this case posting something. Many people know who we all are, but did Batman ever rat on Clark Kent? NO!

Plus we all know that nothing in that utility belt - save kryptonite - coulda stopped Supes from kickin' some Bat A$$! And don't give me that Dark Night BS.

 

[kmox29]

Knox if you want to remain anonymous you might not want to use a picture of your kid ( I assume) for both your avatar here, and your avatar on the (XJ) Alpa weboards were your name is posted for everybody to read.

I'm not trying to hide who I am. Usually people have some respect and don't call out your name on this board. I checked my undies, and they're not in a bunch. I know who people are on this WebBoard, but that doesn't mean I'd call them out.

 

[avrodriverj85]

If I were on the Mesaba MEC, this would be the first thing that would go public. When you put your family on an aircraft, do you want the cheapest or the most qualified? If you don't think the two are connected, your fooling yourself. Don't sell your self short and fly for less than your worth.

But you dont get it. The MEC Chair at Mesaba gets his marching orders from his personal hero - ALPA National president/NWA 747 Captain, Duane Woerthless. Hell, they even look like father and son. If Daddy Duane tells his boy to do something, ole' Tom will do whatever it takes to get it done; even if it means throwing 400 FO's under the bus, or getting half the pilots furloughed.

And believe me, he has every intention of doing whatever it takes to cover his ass and keep his job as an MEC Chair. He has ALPA National aspirations, after all.

 

[xjcaptain]

I guess that I'm not the only one that sees that our MEC chair's personal career goals have nothing to do with flying for a living. Strictly advancement in ALPA. Nothing like being a politician in the private sector. Same rules as being a public servent, step on anybody to advance your political aspirations. Only difference is the private sector pays better. Anybody remember what Woerth is making this year. Sure pays better than the job he was hired to do at NWA.