mesaba flow up and down

[Monster Buck]

There will be NO flow through unless Mesaba MEC accepts it. They may not write it, only make requests but in the end, our MEC has the final say to go or no go. Like before, when our MEC rejected the flow through seven years ago. Our MEC didn't accept the final lang., therefore no flow. To those that are so skepticle, I know we are jaded, but relax. If you don't want to go you will be locked in senior, no one will flow back senior to you. You may not like our MEC but they could have benifited from the old flow offer but turned it down because it did not benifit the entire group, only the super senior. Our MEC hasn't done everything the way I would like it but in the end they have done preety well considering what we have faced(criminals). I am sure they are working on this for our benefit as hard as possible. Yes I know it is not in stone but like others have said, if you don't want to go, don't, I'm sure its no skin of NWA back. No one will come back above you.:beer:

 

[Hulk Hogan]

From what I understand, a third airlink was a long time comming. atleast with this arrangement ... NWA pilots have some control and we (the other links) avoid outside companies ... for now. It's easier to talk about falling on one own sword than actually doing.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

There will be NO flow through unless Mesaba MEC accepts it. They may not write it, only make requests but in the end, our MEC has the final say to go or no go. Like before, when our MEC rejected the flow through seven years ago. Our MEC didn't accept the final lang., therefore no flow. To those that are so skepticle, I know we are jaded, but relax. If you don't want to go you will be locked in senior, no one will flow back senior to you. You may not like our MEC but they could have benifited from the old flow offer but turned it down because it did not benifit the entire group, only the super senior. Our MEC hasn't done everything the way I would like it but in the end they have done preety well considering what we have faced(criminals). I am sure they are working on this for our benefit as hard as possible. Yes I know it is not in stone but like others have said, if you don't want to go, don't, I'm sure its no skin of NWA back. No one will come back above you.:beer:

The NWA MEC has allowed the mesaba MEC to participate in this deal to seek favorable terms for mesaba pilots. However, it will ultimately be the decision of NWA management and the NWA MEC on the terms of the deal. The Mesaba MEC will not have the ability to stop the deal from happening.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

The NWA MEC has allowed the mesaba MEC to participate in this deal to seek favorable terms for mesaba pilots. However, it will ultimately be the decision of NWA management and the NWA MEC on the terms of the deal. The Mesaba MEC will not have the ability to stop the deal from happening.

So, if I get what you're saying, My MEC cannot control whether or not pilots from another pilot list can flow down? That seems highly suspect. What do you base that statement on?

 

[YourPilotFriend]

So, if I get what you're saying, My MEC cannot control whether or not pilots from another pilot list can flow down? That seems highly suspect. What do you base that statement on?

Being owned by NWA means you fall under the terms of the 76 jet contract between NWA and NWAALPA. You can't operate the CRJ 900 unless it complies with the scope agreement set out in the NWA pilot contract.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

I'm no ALPA guru, but wouldn't MSA be required to amend it's contract to allow other pilots on our list before anything can happen? And if so, the ammending won't come from Dougie, Prater, Spongie, or anyone but me and my XJ-types.

Again, I'm not an ALPA guru, so if anyone with insight would care to add to the conversation. . . .

Well according to ALPA boards, KP says it's all between NWA and NWAALPA. MES is simply being advised. It sounds like you're right, YPF.

I guess I thought this would require some change on the MES end as well. Why not?

 

[PCL_128]

So, if I get what you're saying, My MEC cannot control whether or not pilots from another pilot list can flow down? That seems highly suspect. What do you base that statement on?

Ignore YPF. He's a lower-level management stooge. You already have a contract, and it can't be altered unilaterally by the NWA MEC or NWA management. You and your MEC most certainly do have a say.

 

[DoinTime]

However, it will ultimately be the decision of NWA management and the NWA MEC on the terms of the deal. The Mesaba MEC will not have the ability to stop the deal from happening.

The Mesaba pilot group does have a veto. Their job protection language forbids any type of "flow back" that is more than putting a flow back in as a new hire. This veto comes at a price though. Should they excercise it they will lose the -900's.

Tough decision.

 

[Occam's Razor]

PCL is correct. YPF is clueless on the terms. The specifics of the flow thru were and are being done with the participation of Tom W. and the MSA MEC.

If they want changes to the details, they'll be done. When we worked on the last flow thru deal, the two MEC's operated hand-in-hand on the terms...hence the final rejection of that deal when NWA management refused to delete a key element in the terms ("cherry-picking") that the Mesaba MEC could not abide.

I'm sure it angers the RJDC stooges to see a mainline MEC cooperating on mutually-beneficial agreements with it's wholly-owned Airlinks...but it happens. So happy ulcers, losers!

 

[DoinTime]

What I have heard is that like compass if a pilot decides not to flow, he or she is locked in, and any flow downs go behind him on the list. Thats just rumor. i WILL WAIT TO SEE A ROAD SHOW TO PASS JUDGEMENT, BUT MY FIRST LOOK SEEMS TO BE POSITIVE

I don't beleive there is any type "super senority" provision for the Compass pilots. American Eagle had this but I think that was the only flow through that included language like this.

 

[Occam's Razor]

The Mesaba pilot group does have a veto. Their job protection language forbids any type of "flow back" that is more than putting a flow back in as a new hire. This veto comes at a price though. Should they excercise it they will lose the -900's.

Incorrect. The ability to operate the -900's rests with the NWA MEC's ratification of the deal...even if it doesn't include a "flow down".

If the Mesaba MEC rejects the terms, the issue goes back to the Northwest MEC to see if they can live with the -900's as replacements for the Avros without "flow down" language.

 

[DoinTime]

Incorrect. The ability to operate the -900's rests with the NWA MEC's ratification of the deal...even if it doesn't include a "flow down".

If the Mesaba MEC rejects the terms, the issue goes back to the Northwest MEC to see if they can live with the -900's as replacements for the Avros without "flow down" language.

True....the loss of those airframes is a potential consequence of scuttling the deal though.

 

[Occam's Razor]

To repeat: Only if the Northwest MEC determines the deliveries to Mesaba should be scuttled.

Think about that. (I won't spell it out on this Forum)

It might be in Northwest pilot's best interests to see those hulls at Mesaba instead of elsewhere.

'Nuff said.

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

Or, if you're a management tool like YourPilotFriend, expect to get fired when you can't complete the schedule this Summer.

The Dairy Queen in Eagan is hiring...so your "safety" job is a GO!

FYI, the Eagan DQ is not hiring, but is accepting resumes. The manager says the DQ in the Phillips neighborhood Minneapolis has cashier positions available, and no experience required.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

And now the union is saying there probably will need to be an LOA - as I suspected.