Mesa TA passes

[dooork]

There will ALWAYS be instability in the airline industry, and there will always be excuses for why every pilot didn't do their part. I'm not saying you should have aimed for industry leading. If your company is in trouble, then at least just go for industry average. BUT NOT ONE CENT LESS. Certain pay rates are standard. Cost of living adjustments throughout the contract are standard. Rigs are now standard. I'm sorry, but you settled for easy, and you should suffer consequences from your peers. You're not going to once again vote to undercut everyone else, and reap nothing but rewards.

All pilots should create a united front in stating that any Mesa pilot that should be hired by their airline and sit to their right should get a cold shoulder. Let's take a stand against these airline wh***s.

Undercut what? There are zero new contracts with airlines out there...they are shrinking everything...and if there were do you think MESA can staff it....nope...we are trying to staff the work we have let alone anything new. I voted no (and have my ballot receipt to prove it) because I think the language was not there...again...but, it is a two year deal and then back at it for the rest ( along with 7 other airlines). This contract will let us receive the block or better, line guarantee and help improve our QOL until we are in position to get the rest in two years. Not so hard to understand. If you already have those things then it is easier to work on pay rates...rigs...etc.

 

[crj567]

Jeez, a lot of pot calling the ketttle black on here. All of these regional contracts suck. I repeat, all of them.

I worked under a better contract as a FLIGHT ATTENDANT than any regional pilot out there has. There isn't one regioanl out there who has "raised the bar." Quit acting like your crappy regional contract is the end all be all. If your contract has a 10-1/2 hour max duty day, 11 hour minimum crew rest, 14 days off, RIGS, and $2.15/hr per diem then you can bash the crappy Mesa Contract all you want, otherwise stop kidding yourself that you are so much better off than the Mesa pilots.

Sounds like we should return to that thrilling career as a FA....

MESA SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JustaNumber]

Jeez, a lot of pot calling the ketttle black on here. All of these regional contracts suck. I repeat, all of them.

I worked under a better contract as a FLIGHT ATTENDANT than any regional pilot out there has. There isn't one regioanl out there who has "raised the bar." Quit acting like your crappy regional contract is the end all be all. If your contract has a 10-1/2 hour max duty day, 11 hour minimum crew rest, 14 days off, RIGS, and $2.15/hr per diem then you can bash the crappy Mesa Contract all you want, otherwise stop kidding yourself that you are so much better off than the Mesa pilots.

Agreed, all regionals suck compared to major airlines, but that is my point! I'm all for doing things to change that and improve our situation. Ideally, all Delta flying would be performed by Delta pilots. But since the Delta pilots wanted nothing to do with the "little people," we have to do things on our own. The more we perpetuate the myth that we fly little unimportant planes so we deserve a little paycheck, the longer this will go on.

I say again, you are either for improving our situation, or you are not. Which one are you? And saying you are just waiting for your chance to move up to a real airline doesn't count.

 

[pdub20s]

From what I recall. Asa pilots signed in a TA that had less than the 1st offer had. And how do you explain SKW moving planes from ASA and slapping Skywest on them?

You cannot compare ASA or air whiskey to what's going on at MESA. You all have deep pockets.


There are a lot of regionals and some majors that don't have Rigs.


Rigs is not standard...

Like I said before, there is a lot we got in this TA that a lot of regionals and some majors don't.

 

[lowlycfi]

I say again, you are either for improving our situation, or you are not. Which one are you? And saying you are just waiting for your chance to move up to a real airline doesn't count.

Absolutely I'm for improving our situation. The problem is that if this thread is any indication, there isn't enough unity between pilot groups for this to ever happen. This "my crappy airline is better than your crappy airline" mentality is playing into management's hands.

Personally, I think no matter what Mesa had gotten on this contract the people on this message board would have accused them of "not raising the bar." It just seems to be the fashionable thing to do. You guys on here provide no encouragement during negotiations and then act surprised when they vote in a lousy contract. What have all of you done to help them?

I don't think any of the regional pilot groups have raised the bar. The Comair strike was the last time I've seen any pilot group willing to take one for the team.

 

[DoinTime]

Like I said before, there is a lot we got in this TA that a lot of regionals and some majors don't.

Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep better. Truth is, you're wrong.

 

[JustaNumber]

From what I recall. Asa pilots signed in a TA that had less than the 1st offer had. And how do you explain SKW moving planes from ASA and slapping Skywest on them?

You cannot compare ASA or air whiskey to what's going on at MESA. You all have deep pockets.


There are a lot of regionals and some majors that don't have Rigs.


Rigs is not standard...

Like I said before, there is a lot we got in this TA that a lot of regionals and some majors don't.

ASA pilots did not pass up a better "first offer". Our MEC rejected many company offers based on polling results that clearly indicated the minimum we would accept. And this was in the face of Skywest threatening and actually transferring aircraft to our sister company. You make my point better than I could. And yet we still had enough self respect to hold out for what we knew was right.

I agree that you made improvements in your contract, but I ask, overall, is it at least industry average or not? You may see this as a stepping stone, but the rest of the industry sees it as taking the next stepping stone away. This will have implications for both other airline upcoming negotiations and your own future negotiations, and you didn't do yourselves a favor.

You say your airline doesn't have the deep pockets of others. Fine, so you needn't aim for an industry leading contract. But you are still a professional pilot, and you deserve nothing less than industry average when negotiating. Anything less and you are selling yourself and your peers out.

 

[Nevets]

That sums up nicely why this is ALPA's fault....Don't expect another pilot group to what is best for the whole....they will do what is best for themselves.....

Until we solve the issue of competing with each other for flying...this will continue....

Everyone wants the other guy to fall on their sword.....

Quit blaming each other and demand some accountability from Herndon.

Mr. Merchant, you are absolutely correct. Instead of having individual MECs do what is best for themselves we need to have a system in place so that all MECs are insentivized to do what is best for all MECs. In other words, like you said, we must take away the self competition. There are a couple of ways of doing this and Herndon is working on them but unfortunately, we the pilots, are our own worst enemy because we cannot get passed our own individual interests to see the greater good in the end.

 

[rightseatjocky]

Amen...... DOIN...
It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas... I think that Mesa got their presents..
Oh ya, that is screwing all of other carriers..
:uzi:

 

[A-V-8]

50 seat rates were not negotiated because 50 seats will be GONE very shortly. Why waste negotiating capital on pay rates that will soon be obsolete.

PDub, I guarantee you we will still be flying 50 seaters for the next two years.

He is on the ERJ

 

[Fltlvls]

If everyone on here that is bashing Mesa and the TA they voted yes to, Then why don't you tell all of us on the outside looking in on what was in the TA since you are all so Fking smart and you seem to know everything there is to know about everything, What a bunch of A$$HOLES

 

[Raoul Duke]

Why is anyone ragging on the Mesa pilots for agreeing to improvements in their contract. How many carriers are in concessionary bargaining right now? or furloughing right now? Mesa pilots signed a deal that improves their contract and Mesa put out a letter saying that they were not furloughing any more pilots.

 

[Fltlvls]

Why is anyone ragging on the Mesa pilots for agreeing to improvements in their contract. How many carriers are in concessionary bargaining right now? or furloughing right now? Mesa pilots signed a deal that improves their contract and Mesa put out a letter saying that they were not furloughing any more pilots.

Exactly...if you notice the pattern of everyones posts that is related to Mesa and their contract, they are all the same over and over again. Very sad that other pilot groups don't support one another when it comes to contract negotiations, but instead they are always the armchair quarterbacks on what they should have done instead of the things they did get whether it is a big thing or not.I would challenge these other regionals
and their MEC to try and negotiate with Mesa
management and see what they would come out with, I would say nothing especially if they go in and demand things that they think they should have, I guarantee you will be told to go pound sand. Until you know the cold hard facts about what the Mesa MEC had to negotiate with,such as negotiating capitol etc.. then keep your opinions to yourself. Give them some credit for what they got instead of what they didn't get or should have gotten. I bet the next contract any other regional signs will not be a 2 year deal before they are back at the table again .

 

[dowhite2]

He is on the ERJ

And so am I, I'm saying Mesa Air Grp will be flying 50 seaters by the next amd. date

 

[DoinTime]

Very sad that other pilot groups don't support one another when it comes to contract negotiations

We don't support you because you consistently stab us all in the back.