Mesa TA passes

[DoinTime]

Like I said before, there is a lot we got in this TA that a lot of regionals and some majors don't.

Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep better. Truth is, you're wrong.

 

[JustaNumber]

From what I recall. Asa pilots signed in a TA that had less than the 1st offer had. And how do you explain SKW moving planes from ASA and slapping Skywest on them?

You cannot compare ASA or air whiskey to what's going on at MESA. You all have deep pockets.


There are a lot of regionals and some majors that don't have Rigs.


Rigs is not standard...

Like I said before, there is a lot we got in this TA that a lot of regionals and some majors don't.

ASA pilots did not pass up a better "first offer". Our MEC rejected many company offers based on polling results that clearly indicated the minimum we would accept. And this was in the face of Skywest threatening and actually transferring aircraft to our sister company. You make my point better than I could. And yet we still had enough self respect to hold out for what we knew was right.

I agree that you made improvements in your contract, but I ask, overall, is it at least industry average or not? You may see this as a stepping stone, but the rest of the industry sees it as taking the next stepping stone away. This will have implications for both other airline upcoming negotiations and your own future negotiations, and you didn't do yourselves a favor.

You say your airline doesn't have the deep pockets of others. Fine, so you needn't aim for an industry leading contract. But you are still a professional pilot, and you deserve nothing less than industry average when negotiating. Anything less and you are selling yourself and your peers out.

 

[Nevets]

That sums up nicely why this is ALPA's fault....Don't expect another pilot group to what is best for the whole....they will do what is best for themselves.....

Until we solve the issue of competing with each other for flying...this will continue....

Everyone wants the other guy to fall on their sword.....

Quit blaming each other and demand some accountability from Herndon.

Mr. Merchant, you are absolutely correct. Instead of having individual MECs do what is best for themselves we need to have a system in place so that all MECs are insentivized to do what is best for all MECs. In other words, like you said, we must take away the self competition. There are a couple of ways of doing this and Herndon is working on them but unfortunately, we the pilots, are our own worst enemy because we cannot get passed our own individual interests to see the greater good in the end.

 

[rightseatjocky]

Amen...... DOIN...
It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas... I think that Mesa got their presents..
Oh ya, that is screwing all of other carriers..
:uzi:

 

[A-V-8]

50 seat rates were not negotiated because 50 seats will be GONE very shortly. Why waste negotiating capital on pay rates that will soon be obsolete.

PDub, I guarantee you we will still be flying 50 seaters for the next two years.

He is on the ERJ

 

[Fltlvls]

If everyone on here that is bashing Mesa and the TA they voted yes to, Then why don't you tell all of us on the outside looking in on what was in the TA since you are all so Fking smart and you seem to know everything there is to know about everything, What a bunch of A$$HOLES

 

[Raoul Duke]

Why is anyone ragging on the Mesa pilots for agreeing to improvements in their contract. How many carriers are in concessionary bargaining right now? or furloughing right now? Mesa pilots signed a deal that improves their contract and Mesa put out a letter saying that they were not furloughing any more pilots.

 

[Fltlvls]

Why is anyone ragging on the Mesa pilots for agreeing to improvements in their contract. How many carriers are in concessionary bargaining right now? or furloughing right now? Mesa pilots signed a deal that improves their contract and Mesa put out a letter saying that they were not furloughing any more pilots.

Exactly...if you notice the pattern of everyones posts that is related to Mesa and their contract, they are all the same over and over again. Very sad that other pilot groups don't support one another when it comes to contract negotiations, but instead they are always the armchair quarterbacks on what they should have done instead of the things they did get whether it is a big thing or not.I would challenge these other regionals
and their MEC to try and negotiate with Mesa
management and see what they would come out with, I would say nothing especially if they go in and demand things that they think they should have, I guarantee you will be told to go pound sand. Until you know the cold hard facts about what the Mesa MEC had to negotiate with,such as negotiating capitol etc.. then keep your opinions to yourself. Give them some credit for what they got instead of what they didn't get or should have gotten. I bet the next contract any other regional signs will not be a 2 year deal before they are back at the table again .

 

[dowhite2]

He is on the ERJ

And so am I, I'm saying Mesa Air Grp will be flying 50 seaters by the next amd. date

 

[DoinTime]

Very sad that other pilot groups don't support one another when it comes to contract negotiations

We don't support you because you consistently stab us all in the back.

 

[Fltlvls]

We don't support you because you consistently stab us all in the back.

I don't work for Mesa anymore, but i still keep in touch with what is going on by friends i still have there...If i remember correctly , each airline negotiates contracts for themselves and not for other airlines.I don't remember seeing the names of Comair, ASA,ExpressJet etc ..on my contract when i was there. Define how they stab you in the back!

 

[pa30flying]

Ok the contract is better, but not by much. Here are the negatives;

1 Ready (airport) reserve has no limits as to the amount of days per bid a person can sit. I could possibly sit 20 days a bid on airport reserve for 8, 10 or 12 hrs per shift.

2 Junior Assignment still exists with no limits.

3 No trip or duty rigs.

4 No pay increases; except for fo's.

5 IF PBS is cancelled, block or better and line guarantee can be taken away with a 45 day notice from the company
(WHAT A JOKE!!!!)

6 The min days off of 11 are actually a maximum, as the company has shown in the past.

Feel free to add anymore

 

[rightseatjocky]

We don't support you because you consistently stab us all in the back.

Again Doin........
Amen Brotha.....
Why do we bash Mesa..
Mesa pilots are brothers and sisters, but we have to ask why do they always screw other companies. If they don't have deep pockets, as they used to because their mgmt is always trying to screw over other companies.. hence Aloha.. Mesa lost the first law suit had to pay... They lost the 2nd and could possibly fly the Aloha flag and only have to pay 2 million?
This is why we are so upset at Mesa, as a pilot you do the same job we do. As a pilot group, we can't stand you for what your company stands for...
Does that SPLAIN IT LUCY!!!!
:uzi:

 

[JustaNumber]

I don't work for Mesa anymore, but i still keep in touch with what is going on by friends i still have there...If i remember correctly , each airline negotiates contracts for themselves and not for other airlines.I don't remember seeing the names of Comair, ASA,ExpressJet etc ..on my contract when i was there. Define how they stab you in the back!

With all due respect, I think you fail to see the big picture, how one pilot group's actions affect all the others. Every pilot group's negotiations begin with one simple question: what is the rest of the industry paying recently? If it's a good number and getting better with each subsequently signed contract, the pilot group has a decent shot at getting improvements. If the number is low and getting lower, they're screwed. So every pilot has a responsibility to all the others to at least hold the line on industry average, for the good of both themselves and everyone else. To do otherwise is short-sighted and irresponsible.

I think all union pilots, especially those of us who haven't been happy with Mesa up to this point, would have stood firmly beside every Mesa pilot in demanding average compensation or better. We would have refused to fly struck work. We would have joined the picket lines with you. But you never gave us the chance.

 

[dooork]

What is on ASAs wish list for your next contract?

 

[Fltlvls]

With all due respect, I think you fail to see the big picture, how one pilot group's actions affect all the others. Every pilot group's negotiations begin with one simple question: what is the rest of the industry paying recently? If it's a good number and getting better with each subsequently signed contract, the pilot group has a decent shot at getting improvements. If the number is low and getting lower, they're screwed. So every pilot has a responsibility to all the others to at least hold the line on industry average, for the good of both themselves and everyone else. To do otherwise is short-sighted and irresponsible.

I think all union pilots, especially those of us who haven't been happy with Mesa up to this point, would have stood firmly beside every Mesa pilot in demanding average compensation or better. We would have refused to fly struck work. We would have joined the picket lines with you. But you never gave us the chance.

With all due respect
I totally disagree with the same answer you and the others always give in regards to Mesa and their contract.Like i have said before over and over , where are the FACTS to support your claims of Mesa's contract and how it affects other carriers?.Until i see the FACTS i take these claims as an insult even as a former Mesa guy , and totally disrespectful and unjustified .I hope you are not this unprofessional when in the cockpit whether it be jumpseating or flying the line.A very childish type behavior from someone who is looked at as a professional.Mesa may not have the "industry leading" contract but they are the most professional group of people to fly with.I have no more to say on this since it is and will always be a dead horse that is still being beatin to death over and over thousands of times and the answers never change.I will say that most people posting on FI in the regional section are the most unprofessional sounding and disrespectful individuals i have ever come across.All good things come to an end eventually so enjoy your cushy little "mainline "contract because i'm sure it won't last.

 

[pdub20s]

With all due respect
I totally disagree with the same answer you and the others always give in regards to Mesa and their contract.Like i have said before over and over , where are the FACTS to support your claims of Mesa's contract and how it affects other carriers?.Until i see the FACTS i take these claims as an insult even as a former Mesa guy , and totally disrespectful and unjustified .I hope you are not this unprofessional when in the cockpit whether it be jumpseating or flying the line.A very childish type behavior from someone who is looked at as a professional.Mesa may not have the "industry leading" contract but they are the most professional group of people to fly with.I have no more to say on this since it is and will always be a dead horse that is still being beatin to death over and over thousands of times and the answers never change.I will say that most people posting on FI in the regional section are the most unprofessional sounding and disrespectful individuals i have ever come across.All good things come to an end eventually so enjoy your cushy little "mainline "contract because i'm sure it won't last.

Amen! Amen!

 

[DoinTime]

All good things come to an end eventually so enjoy your cushy little "mainline "contract because i'm sure it won't last.

The Mesa pilots are doing everything they can to ensure that respectable working conditions and pay won't last in this profession.

 

[rtmcfi]

With all due respect
I totally disagree with the same answer you and the others always give in regards to Mesa and their contract.Like i have said before over and over , where are the FACTS to support your claims of Mesa's contract and how it affects other carriers?.Until i see the FACTS i take these claims as an insult even as a former Mesa guy , and totally disrespectful and unjustified .I hope you are not this unprofessional when in the cockpit whether it be jumpseating or flying the line.A very childish type behavior from someone who is looked at as a professional.Mesa may not have the "industry leading" contract but they are the most professional group of people to fly with.I have no more to say on this since it is and will always be a dead horse that is still being beatin to death over and over thousands of times and the answers never change.I will say that most people posting on FI in the regional section are the most unprofessional sounding and disrespectful individuals i have ever come across.All good things come to an end eventually so enjoy your cushy little "mainline "contract because i'm sure it won't last.

With absolutely no respect (you deserve none),
Are you truly so ignorant as to think you exist in a vacuum? I mean are you really that dumb. Do you really believe your blather?

Those cushy contracts already have come to an end thanks to you and yours. People on this forum are often unprofessional and disrespectful. That said, others on here are so utterly devoid of intelligence they deserve no respect. Yes, I am referring to you.

I almost feel like I am picking on a retard. Your inability to grasp simple concepts like cause and effect are mind-boggling. What facts are you requesting? What would you do with them? Perhaps put them in your mouth like some infant crawling around on the ground that found something shiny?

At AWACS contract talks several years ago (this is probably before your time, back while the best part of you was running down the crack of your mothers @$$), the mesa contract was thrown on the table from management. The negotiators were informed that this was what they had to compete with. FACT...

 

[Fltlvls]

With absolutely no respect (you deserve none),
Are you truly so ignorant as to think you exist in a vacuum? I mean are you really that dumb. Do you really believe your blather?

Those cushy contracts already have come to an end thanks to you and yours. People on this forum are often unprofessional and disrespectful. That said, others on here are so utterly devoid of intelligence they deserve no respect. Yes, I am referring to you.

I almost feel like I am picking on a retard. Your inability to grasp simple concepts like cause and effect are mind-boggling. What facts are you requesting? What would you do with them? Perhaps put them in your mouth like some infant crawling around on the ground that found something shiny?

At AWACS contract talks several years ago (this is probably before your time, back while the best part of you was running down the crack of your mothers @$$), the mesa contract was thrown on the table from management. The negotiators were informed that this was what they had to compete with. FACT...

Feel better now?