Mesa TA passes

[SEVEN]

Ive always tried to refrain from airing out the MAG pilot groups dirty laundry but I must state an obvious fact.

If this TA would have been voted down, this pilot group would have not been ready for the slug fest that would have to take place with this company. Why?

Roughly over 200 eligible pilots did NOT vote....

Its clear as day that a lot of MAG pilots don't give a rats a$$.

A lot of the NO voters feel that MGT could have given us more in this TA... I HIGHLE DOUBT THAT. MAG probably has no more than maybe 35 million in the back right now. This company wasn't in any real position to give us what we got. But we got it!

In 21 months the company must meet with the N.C. once every 10 days under the RLA. At this time there will be 7 other regional carriers negotiating with the Obama NMB.

-11/11 Days off for Line Holders and reservist

-PBS(Cut and paste language from CHQs PBS) w/ ALPA input. Once a month the Scheduling committee must be released to participate in the pairing construction process

-Min is 75.83 hours

-SAP(Schedule adjustment Period) modeled after SWA: for 3 days after your Preliminary award comes out you get to drop,swap , and pick up full pairings(automated) with only FAR restrictions. And the full ablity to drop your flying to 0 (of course your pay will be zero).

-Line Guarantee: 100% Pay protection. What you are awarded as your final bid is the minimum you get paid. If you pick up more flying or drop flying, then your Line guarantee is adjusted

- Block or better: Any flying done over than whats SCHEDULED, is on top of you Line Guarantee.* PER LEG bases *

Example: Say you are a reservist and you fly 1 trip worth 1 hour the entire month. And it takes 2 hours to complete. Your new min Gar. is now 76.83 hours

-FLICA unrestricted or any other software that may become available, with the ability to swap, trade,straight drop, and "trim" . With only FAR restrictions or reserve buffers.

-JAs and REA are Paid at 200% with language restricting JAs and REAS(which is also on top of your line Gar.)


-30 day bid periods

Not bad. Much improvment from the previous crap contract. The new improvment to the work rules will definately make the quality of life a little better at Mesa. What are some of the things you guys didn't get? Do you still have to spend the night with the FO on CDOs?

 

[pdub20s]

Wouldn't you have to credit 75.83 hours before you go over guarantee.

Nope, all extra flying is on top of min/line Guarantee

 

[pdub20s]

Not bad. Much improvment from the previous crap contract. The new improvment to the work rules will definately make the quality of life a little better at Mesa. What are some of the things you guys didn't get? Do you still have to spend the night with the FO on CDOs?

if there is a pairing built like that then yes..

 

[labbats]

On a side note, at our hotel this morning when I went down to get my breakfast before the shuttle, there was no breakfast bag there, only 2 of our flight crew got one. After further investigation, it was determined that one of the mesa pilots who was supposed to go 2 hours later on the shuttle came down in uniform and posed as one of our crew and took the breakfast bag back up to his room. I gaurantee that person voted yes on this TA.

Ask the front desk to ring their room. Tell him/her yourself what a dirtbag you think they are. Hang up.

 

[sweptback]

The battle cry of the ALPA apologist...

They take credit for everything good that ever happened in this industry (including, I assume, the invention of the airplane).

But any time something goes wrong, it's always "It's not national's fault, it's all up to your local pilot group". So why pay dues to national then?

Personally I think national is remiss in it's obligation to all of it's members if it allows a pilot group like mesa to negotiate an industry-lagging contract without adult supervision.

Well, let's be honest here.

The CNC struck the deal under the approval of the MEC. The MEC signed off on the deal to send it to the pilots. The pilots voted to approve the deal.

The above three steps would have happened regardless of who the union was... ALPA, Teamsters, or independent!

Now Mesa has great scope, decent workrules, and crummy pay. So they got 2 out of 3. In 2010, assuming the company is still around and in better financial shape, they can go for the payrates.

 

[CX880]

First of all, I would be very suspicious of the count, not many TAs pass by few people.

If it is indeed correct, now it's official. Mesa pilots are exactly what they have been called the last decade. I gave the benefit of the doubt because the last contract was approved because the pilots had a gun to their heads but this time?? Pretty sad, now you guys won't have much to back anything when others call you bottom feeders and management yes men. Good job guys, thanks for helping out your brothers and sisters.

 

[Raoul Duke]

On a side note, at our hotel this morning when I went down to get my breakfast before the shuttle, there was no breakfast bag there, only 2 of our flight crew got one. After further investigation, it was determined that one of the mesa pilots who was supposed to go 2 hours later on the shuttle came down in uniform and posed as one of our crew and took the breakfast bag back up to his room. I gaurantee that person voted yes on this TA.

It is their passive agressive way of telling you that you are fat

 

[pdub20s]

Pretty sad, now you guys won't have much to back anything when others call you bottom feeders and management yes men.

That, I CAN now say we are not...

 

[hockeypilot44]

That, I CAN now say we are not...

Why did you go to Mesa to begin with? When you went to Mesa, just about every regional out there was hiring.

 

[rightseatjocky]

Laughing.. Omg.. I am rolling here.. that guy didn't get a breakfast.. oh my god....
Hell, if you ask me the guy was smart to go down and get one before you did.
You morons that voted for that contract need a clue........
Lower the bar some more.. oh wait, you did with Aloha.......
No wonder every single airline out there hates you guys.......
uke:

 

[zamuro]

Where's the love???

 

[flylike44]

at least the xjet folks have a group to hang out with now. pathetic.

 

[buscap]

I've never been one to say this...but you guys didn't get any pay raises??????

You suck!!!

 

[pdub20s]

Our raise in pay came from the soft money. IE Block or better, line guarantee,and other work rules . We managed to get some blood out of a turnip. With mesa only having close to 30million and in a downward spiral, we made dome descent improvements in the form of "soft" pay and QOL... We go back to the table in 21 months along with 7 other ALPA carriers. At that time if we are still around... We can go for the "gold". Rome was not built in a day. Us coming from 36 percent below industry average to industry leading in one swing is unrealistic.

 

[Nevets]

at least the xjet folks have a group to hang out with now. pathetic.

Just for the record, I'd be proud to hang out with other ALPA pilots.

 

[CX880]

Our raise in pay came from the soft money. IE Block or better, line guarantee,and other work rules . We managed to get some blood out of a turnip. With mesa only having close to 30million and in a downward spiral, we made dome descent improvements in the form of "soft" pay and QOL... We go back to the table in 21 months along with 7 other ALPA carriers. At that time if we are still around... We can go for the "gold". Rome was not built in a day. Us coming from 36 percent below industry average to industry leading in one swing is unrealistic.

Thats amaizing. Anyone that is in current negotiations, should fire their mec and hire the Mesa crew. They are reallly good.

 

[SLOTH]

snip - we made dome descent improvements - snip

Freudian slip perhaps?

 

[Broke in CVG]

I can't believe how stupid 51% of you guys are...
JO needed this bad, and you guys just handed it to him on a silver platter. What do you think would have happened if this was turned down? JO NEEDED THIS AND YOU GUYS GAVE IT TO HIM ON THE FIRST GO AROUND. 51% of the Mesa pilots are stupid dumbsh!ts - but we already new that as they chose to go there.

MESA SUCKS!

 

[i fly boxes]

Our raise in pay came from the soft money. IE Block or better, line guarantee,and other work rules . We managed to get some blood out of a turnip. With mesa only having close to 30million and in a downward spiral, we made dome descent improvements in the form of "soft" pay and QOL... We go back to the table in 21 months along with 7 other ALPA carriers. At that time if we are still around... We can go for the "gold". Rome was not built in a day. Us coming from 36 percent below industry average to industry leading in one swing is unrealistic.

Yes and your cheap and pathetic ways make it harder for the other 7 carriers to negotiate because all you care about is yourselves. You guys suck

 

[Fltlvls]

I can't believe how stupid 51% of you guys are...
JO needed this bad, and you guys just handed it to him on a silver platter. What do you think would have happened if this was turned down? JO NEEDED THIS AND YOU GUYS GAVE IT TO HIM ON THE FIRST GO AROUND. 51% of the Mesa pilots are stupid dumbsh!ts - but we already new that as they chose to go there.

MESA SUCKS!

Better than 70% like last time,doesn't sound like a landslide victory to me.When will this new TA be implemented? ...21 months from now?....Hey Broke, calm down just a little bit before you spontaneously combust .