MESA TA passes 78%

[Desiday]

You Mesa guys are pathetic, a real disgrace.

 

[Sphincter Boy]

Well that should just about torpedo any hopes of my sister airline (CALEX) getting a decent contract.

Speak for yourself. I for one will rather see CALEX go tits up than get a crappy contract. Anyone have the number to that truck driving school?

 

[328dude]

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Psss, hey Mesa Dudes.


Please reattach your balls below.





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Have a nice day

 

[meanstreak]

I honestly will not ley Mesa on anymore of my jumpseats. I don't care if you take my name down and ban me from your airline, you will never ride with me again.

 

[Boeingman]

Speak for yourself. I for one will rather see CALEX go tits up than get a crappy contract. Anyone have the number to that truck driving school?

Hey, I'm on your side pal, but that doesn't change the fact this has just made your leverage with management that much tougher.

If you want to live in fantasyland and expect some exponential pay raise in light of this....go ahead.

 

[Snapperhead]

Anyone have a copy of the agreement? Please post it so we can all see how **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ty it is.

 

[bahjaus]

I am not a Mesa pilot, and I don't agree with all the angry rhetoric going on here. Sometimes it seems to me that most pilots actually live in a bubble and are not aware of what's going on around them. I am going to provide facts only, and lets' try to have an intelligent debate here without name calling:

Most posts infer that ACA, Comair, Air Wisconsin, Skywest, ASA, CoEx are in the same category as Mesa financially. It's true that that they all fly similar equipment, but if you are saying that any 2 companies flying the same airplane should pay the same regardless of their financial health, then you should be bashing not only Mesa but Spirit, Midwest Express, America West, AirTran, Frontier, JetBlue for flying similar equipment for a fraction of what UAL, AMR, DAL pay. If you wanna go down this route and be consistent, then you should blame the SWA pilots for signing a low-cost long-term contract back in 94 to allow their company to grow aggressively and steal market share from the big 4.
Let's compare cash positions for Mesa, ACA and SKYW, from the latest SEC filings:
Mesa: $39.8 million.
ACA: $243 million
SKYW: around $400 million
If this doesn't tell you that there are significant differences between what Mesa can afford and what the other 2 can, then you have a problem.
Comair had a profit margin in the 20's when their results were public before being bought by DAL. All the people here saying Mesa is profitable up the wazoo. Fact is Mesa declared losses for 4 out of the last 5 years, they lost $9.3 million in 2002 and $48.1 million in 2001. Go read their SEC filings.

Last point I want to make to all who are saying that this will lower the bar in the industry, if your management comes to you saying hey Mesa got this we want you to do the same, then you have a very simple choice vote no. If you vote yes then start complaining that it's Mesa pilots fault like the WO pilots are doing now, then you are contradicting yourself. If you are saying to the Mesa pilots to vote no to their TA even if it will cost them their job because it'll preserve the bar for the industry, then you should also vote no to your management even if it'll cost you YOUR job for the sake of raising the bar.

 

[BoredToDeath]

bahjaus,

Would you care to expand on this statement?

**. If you vote yes then start complaining that it's Mesa pilots fault like the WO pilots are doing now, then you are contradicting yourself. **

 

[bahjaus]

Sure,

WO pilots voted for concessions lately and most of them on this board are complaing that they had to do so to preserve their jobs, i.e match Mesa's rates... As a WO pilot you have a choice to vote no to the concessions and be out of a job, you could have made that choice but you didn't.

Now you are asking the Mesa pilots to do what you couldn't do, vote no and face unemployment. It doesn't sem very consistent to me.

 

[Beantown]

bahjaus,

Would you care to expand on this statement?

**. If you vote yes then start complaining that it's Mesa pilots fault like the WO pilots are doing now, then you are contradicting yourself. **

Let me take a shot. The WO pilots say that they are forced to vote yes for concessions b/c of Mesa. Mesa pilots say they had to vote yes to this crappy TA b/c of Freedumb. All groups voted yes to save there jobs. Yes or No? (If no, why did the WO vote yes? In the case of PSA why did your MEC?)

It becomes contradictory for the WO pilots who caved in to save there jobs to call the Mesa pilots (insert any post from above) b/c they did the same. You did the same thing weather you like it or not. Sorry guys.

Bahjuas , It's good to read a factual, intellectual, thought-out post on a board filled with overacting, uneducated (on this issue) immature people. This thread is sad and shows alot about people who call themselves professionals. -Bean

 

[mullet]

Let me make it emphatically clear that I also agree that pilot wages are not the cause of the airlines taking it so much in the shorts. We will forever be the excuse.

The only thing I have agree with you on your whole post.
the 3 main cost's Airlines can rely on
no particular order
#1 interest what they owe on their debt (united should of taking care of that in the 90's instead of trying to take over the world.)
#2 fuel- (they can ballpark per price of barrel)
#3 PAYROLL- you have to pay your people
So please explain to me how MESA has fallen on hard times!!!!!!!
Interest on debt??? doubt it much.
Fuel??? equal across the board.
Payroll???? MESA= Bottom of the food chain!!!!!!!!
MGMT now has the winning formula!!!!!!!!
Well done boys!!

 

[mullet]

Yes or No? (If no, why did the WO vote yes? In the case of PSA why did your MEC?)

Huhhhh? Didn't get to vote!!!!
We're BANKRUPT!!!!!
US AIR=PSA=PDT=ALG!!!!!!!!!

 

[mckpickle]

Go on keep telling yourselves that voting no would mean your out of a job. You people are so brain washed by JO its funny. I mean your all scared. NEWS FLASH. He couldn't have shut down the whole freaking airline you f&#^ing idiots! Remember he has shareholders to awnser to. AND then all the flying that Freedom is doing would be considered STRUCK WORK!!!!! Every pilot would be put on the scab list. Thats some pretty good motivation not to fly the MESA routes! But you ladies cried in your beer afraid JO was going to replace all of you. Jesus you people are stupid!

 

[nimtz]

If you want to live in fantasyland and expect some exponential pay raise in light of this....go ahead.

He doesn't live in fantasy land and his sentiments are very representational of our whole pilot group. We will drive xjet right into the ground rather then go five years doing what we're doing now. Hey Gordo knows this, which is why he has all sorts of poison pills in the Agreement with Express that allows him to take the jets. So he'll start up some scab outfit and we'll all be out of a job. Big f*cking deal!

Hey I'd get screwed by it, but I have principals and pride unlike the Mesa group. I'm young enough to take a hit in my profession, so I dare Gordon to try and play his cards on us. He won't be able to put those nice stickers 'Working Together' stickers on the doors of our airplanes anymore. I would rather lose what I've done so far rather then face the next 10 years of my career making 25K a year with NO work rules. Too bad Mesa pilots didn't have the balls to call Orenstein's bluff.

Those who went before us in this profession made it the rewarding career that it can be. I will not see their hard work undone because of pieces of sh*t like Johhny Orenstein and losers like many of your coworkers at CAL. You Mesa guys baffle me! Why on earth would any educated person want to work a job that causes so many sacrifices in your life, but only make 25K a year with 9 days at home per month! There is no golden rainbow for you to grab in a few years. American isn't going to snatch you up the minute you have 500 hours turbine PIC.

 

[Boeingman]

He doesn't live in fantasy land and his sentiments are very representational of our whole pilot group. We will drive xjet right into the ground rather then go five years doing what we're doing now. Hey Gordo knows this, which is why he has all sorts of poison pills in the Agreement with Express that allows him to take the jets. So he'll start up some scab outfit and we'll all be out of a job. Big f*cking deal!

Hey I'd get screwed by it, but I have principals and pride unlike the Mesa group. I'm young enough to take a hit in my profession, so I dare Gordon to try and play his cards on us. He won't be able to put those nice stickers 'Working Together' stickers on the doors of our airplanes anymore. I would rather lose what I've done so far rather then face the next 10 years of my career making 25K a year with NO work rules. Too bad Mesa pilots didn't have the balls to call Orenstein's bluff.

Those who went before us in this profession made it the rewarding career that it can be. I will not see their hard work undone because of pieces of sh*t like Johhny Orenstein and losers like many of your coworkers at CAL. You Mesa guys baffle me! Why on earth would any educated person want to work a job that causes so many sacrifices in your life, but only make 25K a year with 9 days at home per month! There is no golden rainbow for you to grab in a few years. American isn't going to snatch you up the minute you have 500 hours turbine PIC.

Like I said, good luck. Your "sentiments" representing the Express pilots have zero leverage when economic pressures like this TA are brought to bear on the industry. Don't shoot the messenger.

As far as the "losers", the strike for me was a long time ago. If anyone has the right to pass judgement on the CAL ALPA debacle it is people like me that spent 25 months on a picket line. I get a little tired of hearing comments that destroy unity among the CAL/ CALEX group. Besides, as painfull as it is to admit, those "losers" are all pulling over $150k a year and laughing all the way to the bank. I'd bet none of those scabs are dying to trade places with some XJET F/O.

BTW talk is real cheap. Looking back on our strike, the scabs that crossed were usually the ones shooting their mouths off prior to the walkout about "shutting this place down".