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mesa...lets go for a ride

stagger

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Flew mesa jumpseat recently...wow do they not know about aero or the coffin corner over there. Too high too fast and did not even know it. And what does the saying lets go for a ride mean in a mesa cockpit.
 

kingair1

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Your lucky you even got a ride. You should have said something if your life felt threatened.
 

Speedtape

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I know of at least two airlines that learned about it the hard way. At one airline, it resulted in needless loss of life and property. At another airline, a disaster was averted, and the event resulted in more in depth training and education.

One would think, after the Pinnacle event, that everyone would have been enlightened. The FAA seemed to make all training departments adopt more training and education on this issue. I guess this crew did not get the memo!

Just curious, what type plane was it?
 

Flybywire44

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I know of at least two airlines that learned about it the hard way. At one airline, it resulted in needless loss of life and property. At another airline, a disaster was averted, and the event resulted in more in depth training and education.

One would think, after the Pinnacle event, that everyone would have been enlightened. The FAA seemed to make all training departments adopt more training and education on this issue. I guess this crew did not get the memo!

Just curious, what type plane was it?

Change your profile pic!
 

pdub20s

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Flew mesa jumpseat recently...wow do they not know about aero or the coffin corner over there. Too high too fast and did not even know it. And what does the saying lets go for a ride mean in a mesa cockpit.

Even I know of coffin corner and I fly the ERJ. not a real problem in the jungle jet...and be happy you got a ride..they could have left your ass at the gate
 

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Flew mesa jumpseat recently...wow do they not know about aero or the coffin corner over there. Too high too fast and did not even know it. And what does the saying lets go for a ride mean in a mesa cockpit.

Please, tell us more about your situation.
 

siucavflight

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What a worthless thread, be happy you got a ride, dont come on a public board and bash the pilots who flew you. How do you know that they did not know about the coffin corner? Did you give them an oral exam while you were flying with them?
 

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Flew mesa jumpseat recently...wow do they not know about aero or the coffin corner over there. Too high too fast and did not even know it. And what does the saying lets go for a ride mean in a mesa cockpit.

Did they get too fast or too slow? If they were acting unprofessional and caused the airplane to get dangerously close to a stall or mach tuck then action needs to be taken. The problem is that it's your word against both of theirs. Not much you can do unless you can prove that this actually happened. My advice: Don't EVER ride on any MESA operated aircraft. Don't put your loved ones on those airplanes either. If you do you're taking a gamble. You could have a competant crew or chances are a crew who does not give a rip about operating safely. That's why they are at Mesa. They most likely were turned down at numerous other carriers for being clueless tools.

Welcome to the world of the bottom feeders. You get what you pay for. Sub par pilots operating at a sub par airline.
 

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I did say something in a polite way by pulling out a flip chart. And talking about the lear jet issues and mach tuck mistakes in early lear jets that had some unfortunate results. When you feel the high altitude rolling motion and see airspeed close to max you do tend to get concerned
 

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Coffin corner is an issue in RJ's? Coffin corner is where stall speed and Mmo are the same speed. The U2 is the only plane i'm aware of that runs into this issue
 

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Which occurred: Did they full stall, or mach tuck?

I can't seem to find an article about this from any news source.
 

stagger

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just google mach tuck + learjet maybe add aileron buzz to your search Im sure there is a lot of stuff out there. If I remember correctly it was the lear 35 that had the problem because of overspeeds with a speed warning cb pulled
 
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