mesa...lets go for a ride

[stagger]

Flew mesa jumpseat recently...wow do they not know about aero or the coffin corner over there. Too high too fast and did not even know it. And what does the saying lets go for a ride mean in a mesa cockpit.

 

[kingair1]

Your lucky you even got a ride. You should have said something if your life felt threatened.

 

[Speedtape]

I know of at least two airlines that learned about it the hard way. At one airline, it resulted in needless loss of life and property. At another airline, a disaster was averted, and the event resulted in more in depth training and education.

One would think, after the Pinnacle event, that everyone would have been enlightened. The FAA seemed to make all training departments adopt more training and education on this issue. I guess this crew did not get the memo!

Just curious, what type plane was it?

 

[Flybywire44]

I know of at least two airlines that learned about it the hard way. At one airline, it resulted in needless loss of life and property. At another airline, a disaster was averted, and the event resulted in more in depth training and education.

One would think, after the Pinnacle event, that everyone would have been enlightened. The FAA seemed to make all training departments adopt more training and education on this issue. I guess this crew did not get the memo!

Just curious, what type plane was it?

Change your profile pic!

 

[Speedtape]

Change your profile pic!

Does it make you uncomfortable?

 

[Raoul Duke]

yes, gives me nightmares - his hair looks much too close to my girlfriend's

 

[pdub20s]

Flew mesa jumpseat recently...wow do they not know about aero or the coffin corner over there. Too high too fast and did not even know it. And what does the saying lets go for a ride mean in a mesa cockpit.

Even I know of coffin corner and I fly the ERJ. not a real problem in the jungle jet...and be happy you got a ride..they could have left your ass at the gate

 

[WalterSobchak]

Ahem...gentlemen, I believe this thread is missing something...

 

[dooork]

Flew mesa jumpseat recently...wow do they not know about aero or the coffin corner over there. Too high too fast and did not even know it. And what does the saying lets go for a ride mean in a mesa cockpit.

Please, tell us more about your situation.

 

[wilde737]

Mesa Sucks!

 

[siucavflight]

What a worthless thread, be happy you got a ride, dont come on a public board and bash the pilots who flew you. How do you know that they did not know about the coffin corner? Did you give them an oral exam while you were flying with them?

 

[Minimaniac]

Does it make you uncomfortable?

Yes, Speedtape, looking at a topless Brooke Shields makes me very uncomfortable.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

What A/C was it? How high and fast?

 

[Ezralite]

Deets!

 

[SEVEN]

Flew mesa jumpseat recently...wow do they not know about aero or the coffin corner over there. Too high too fast and did not even know it. And what does the saying lets go for a ride mean in a mesa cockpit.

Did they get too fast or too slow? If they were acting unprofessional and caused the airplane to get dangerously close to a stall or mach tuck then action needs to be taken. The problem is that it's your word against both of theirs. Not much you can do unless you can prove that this actually happened. My advice: Don't EVER ride on any MESA operated aircraft. Don't put your loved ones on those airplanes either. If you do you're taking a gamble. You could have a competant crew or chances are a crew who does not give a rip about operating safely. That's why they are at Mesa. They most likely were turned down at numerous other carriers for being clueless tools.

Welcome to the world of the bottom feeders. You get what you pay for. Sub par pilots operating at a sub par airline.

 

[begsby]

Maybe they were just seeing if you would say anything.

 

[stagger]

I did say something in a polite way by pulling out a flip chart. And talking about the lear jet issues and mach tuck mistakes in early lear jets that had some unfortunate results. When you feel the high altitude rolling motion and see airspeed close to max you do tend to get concerned

 

[viper548]

Coffin corner is an issue in RJ's? Coffin corner is where stall speed and Mmo are the same speed. The U2 is the only plane i'm aware of that runs into this issue

 

[paulsalem]

Which occurred: Did they full stall, or mach tuck?

I can't seem to find an article about this from any news source.

 

[stagger]

just google mach tuck + learjet maybe add aileron buzz to your search Im sure there is a lot of stuff out there. If I remember correctly it was the lear 35 that had the problem because of overspeeds with a speed warning cb pulled

 

[SLUF4]

Didn't a 727 have an encounter with this that almost lead to the loss of the aircraft? Seems like they plummeted a long way before recovery. I'll have to look in the books-I think it was a football charter. I don't blame the original poster for talking about it-safety is something we should always feel free to discuss.

edit-nevermind-that was an instrument error accident.

 

[altimaklr]

Was it a 700 or 900? The 200 can barely get over .8 mach on most flights, I've never seen it anywhere close to coffin corner.. Although we are usually never filed past FL330 either.

 

[dooork]

Did they get too fast or too slow? If they were acting unprofessional and caused the airplane to get dangerously close to a stall or mach tuck then action needs to be taken. The problem is that it's your word against both of theirs. Not much you can do unless you can prove that this actually happened. My advice: Don't EVER ride on any MESA operated aircraft. Don't put your loved ones on those airplanes either. If you do you're taking a gamble. You could have a competant crew or chances are a crew who does not give a rip about operating safely. That's why they are at Mesa. They most likely were turned down at numerous other carriers for being clueless tools.

Welcome to the world of the bottom feeders. You get what you pay for. Sub par pilots operating at a sub par airline.

You forgot to mention the exemplary safety record mesa has....wonder why? Why don't we start a list of airlines and pilot caused accidents and see where we stack up......you seem to be the clueless tool.

 

[pdub20s]

Did they get too fast or too slow? If they were acting unprofessional and caused the airplane to get dangerously close to a stall or mach tuck then action needs to be taken. The problem is that it's your word against both of theirs. Not much you can do unless you can prove that this actually happened. My advice: Don't EVER ride on any MESA operated aircraft. Don't put your loved ones on those airplanes either. If you do you're taking a gamble. You could have a competant crew or chances are a crew who does not give a rip about operating safely. That's why they are at Mesa. They most likely were turned down at numerous other carriers for being clueless tools.

Welcome to the world of the bottom feeders. You get what you pay for. Sub par pilots operating at a sub par airline.

You ...are... a ....F&*king... idiot..really!!you are!

 

[keri2000]

MMO on the CRJ is .85. If you fly faster it beeps at you. The CRJ is not a Learjet.

 

[Axel]

Bad form, stagger.

In your list of bona fides I don't see where it says you are qualified on that type. As such, how would you know whether they were operating according to their guidance?

You have done nothing to address what may or may not be a problem. All you did was publicly denounce the pilots who graciously offered to take you to your destination. Rather than running your mouth here, perhaps a phone call to their PSC or their training department would have been the more appropriate remedy. Or maybe a little research to determine whether or not YOU are the one operating without sufficient knowledge.

All you have done is reveal what an arrogant, elitist jerk you are.

 

[CX880]

Did they get too fast or too slow? If they were acting unprofessional and caused the airplane to get dangerously close to a stall or mach tuck then action needs to be taken. The problem is that it's your word against both of theirs. Not much you can do unless you can prove that this actually happened. My advice: Don't EVER ride on any MESA operated aircraft. Don't put your loved ones on those airplanes either. If you do you're taking a gamble. You could have a competant crew or chances are a crew who does not give a rip about operating safely. That's why they are at Mesa. They most likely were turned down at numerous other carriers for being clueless tools.

Welcome to the world of the bottom feeders. You get what you pay for. Sub par pilots operating at a sub par airline.

You must be kidding. Don't you know that Mesa has one of the highest budgets allocated to safety and maintenance of their aging CRJ2s and 7 and 9s? Their current financial status puts them in a position to not cut corners. They have some of the highest paid and most dedicated mechanics all over in PHX and CLT. Not to mention highest paid CRJ7/9 pilots according to JO. There hasn't been any random engines snapping off of CRJ200s and any other incidents recently that I can remember. And as far as their pilots and their saftey, those guys in Hawaii saved their jet and their passengers from going into the pacific by waking up. I would encourage anyone to fly Mesa.

 

[Prog 2/2]

Coffin corner is an issue in RJ's? Coffin corner is where stall speed and Mmo are the same speed. The U2 is the only plane i'm aware of that runs into this issue

There you go again.

Throwing reason and professional knowledge into the middle of an FI expert parade.:laugh:

 

[siucavflight]

I do not believe that Stagger actually knows what coffin corner is. Seems like you are the one in need of some education.

 

[huncowboy]

I did say something in a polite way by pulling out a flip chart. And talking about the lear jet issues and mach tuck mistakes in early lear jets that had some unfortunate results. When you feel the high altitude rolling motion and see airspeed close to max you do tend to get concerned

Never flew for Mesa. I did fly the ERJ145 for CHQ and it sounds like you've jumped on a 145. "Hi Steve!" (overspeed) warning is a very common thing when you have some updrafts and no auto thrust. I think the AP of the 145 is a bit too aggressive holding altitude. It happens even if you are watching it like a hawk. Unless they went well into red, it was no big deal. I have not heard the clicker or the equivalent since I have transitioned into an auto thrust equipped airplane, that has a much better autopilot. Of course since I was furloughed I have not heard any aural warnings whatsoever... LOL...