Malaysian 777 enroute to Beijing missing!

[Capn Butthead]

And being on CNN he took the chance to really dress up in his Canadian tuxedo! Hope that can be our uniforms soon

 

[Dumb Pilot]

The simulator they're using on cnn is a replica of a 777 sim. Is that dude in the left seat even a pilot or just some dude who runs the sim for customers?

He did pretty good landing the thing in a 4,000FT. runway......, if he isn't, he sure fooled me!

 

[2000Easyguy]

Good stuff
I thought that's how it worked

So the down payment is $5k but eventually they'll all get $174k
Am I reading this correct?

That's the way I read it as well. They'll be held liable for that amount per pax.
If/when they find the wreckage, we'll be certain to see a much larger figure.

 

[ALGFLYR]

What about the ELT's?

Well the scenario certainly seems plausible. If they made the turn and were then incapacitated and the aircraft flew until fuel exhaustion, assuming the 6 hour duration is correct before running out of fuel, that's roughly in the 3,000 mile range. And if the aircraft was in heading mode, that would mean the track over the ocean would vary with the changing winds.

So if the aircraft flew around 3,000 miles, that puts it somewhere in the middle of the ocean. If the plane went down intact, for the most part, and the ELT's went off, and the plane sunk to the bottom (How deep is it there?) Would the ELT's even be able to be picked up without being right on top of the wreckage? I don't know the answers to these questions, but I'm sure someone does...

I'm thinking an ELT going off a mile or two underwater may be hard to detect from anything other than a very close proximity to the plane...

And as far as the crew turning on the ELT inflight, if they were indeed fighting a scenario that quickly incapacitated them, I would think their primary concern would be to get the plane on the ground. I have to admit, if the cockpit was filling up with toxic fumes and burning, I would be focusing on the closest airport, turning on the ELT would probably never enter my mind. Surely they didn't think they were going to be lost, they were probably thinking "lets land, and we will know where we are..." Just my .02 cents...

 

[fr8doggie]

Turning on the ELT should be the first thing you do.

 

[OldManPilot]

When they made the turn there was an airport with a 13000 foot airport on an island near their flight path. Pulau Lingkawi airport. Look at it on Google earth. I think they were turning for this airport... We're overcome with either smoke or hypoxia.

 

[ALGFLYR]

Turning on the ELT should be the first thing you do.

Omg Captain, massive amounts of smoke and toxic fumes are present. F turning towards the closest airport to land, lets turn on the ELT!... Yeah, whatever...

 

[fr8doggie]

Omg Captain, massive amounts of smoke and toxic fumes are present. F turning towards the closest airport to land, lets turn on the ELT!... Yeah, whatever...

My apologies! I wasn't aware that the mystery was solved. Good to know that the plane will fly for 6-8hrs with an inflight fire on board. I'll have to inform our training department. They keep spouting this 12-17 minute nonsense.

Why the hostility to letting someone know you are in trouble? I want SAR scrambling NOW!

Regards,
Fr8doggie

 

[Flopgut]

For all we know, turning on the ELT was the first thing they did. No better than the locals apparently are at SAR, not sure it would have helped much.

They were darn sure on their own.

 

[SENECAII]

My apologies! I wasn't aware that the mystery was solved. Good to know that the plane will fly for 6-8hrs with an inflight fire on board. I'll have to inform our training department. They keep spouting this 12-17 minute nonsense.

Why the hostility to letting someone know you are in trouble? I want SAR scrambling NOW!

Regards,
Fr8doggie

The fact that the good night call didnt have any signs of stress in it whatsoever,and the turn was seconds, and possibly even during the turn to the west is concerning.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

The fact that the good night call didnt have any signs of stress in it whatsoever,and the turn was seconds, and possibly even during the turn to the west is concerning.

And you know this how? You haven't heard the tapes yourself, all we got is transcripts from an unknown source that were allegedly translated three times and they are being analyzed by the same so called "experts" that are talking black holes and aliens! All we have is 17 reports all contradicting each other on what was programmed into the FMS that has been contradicted by another so called 10 experts........, we know nothing yet! All this wild "the captain did it" speculation before there is a single piece of wreckage found is moronic at best! And I will say something that might sting a bit but I think it is for all of our growth as human beings and professionals, if the crew was from Iowa, London or Berlin, I can't help to think that 2/3 of the "the captain did it" theories wouldn't be.........!

 

[Fly4$]

Just watched a CNN simulation (yeah I know) that seems to show the aircraft would stall after it runs out of fuel on AP. Somehow that kind of surprised me. Boeing couldn't program a max range descent in case of fuel starvation?

 

[SENECAII]

And you know this how? You haven't heard the tapes yourself, all we got is transcripts from an unknown source that were allegedly translated three times and they are being analyzed by the same so called "experts" that are talking black holes and aliens! All we have is 17 reports all contradicting each other on what was programmed into the FMS that has been contradicted by another so called 10 experts........, we know nothing yet! All this wild "the captain did it" speculation before there is a single piece of wreckage found is moronic at best! And I will say something that might sting a bit but I think it is for all of our growth as human beings and professionals, if the crew was from Iowa, London or Berlin, I can't help to think that 2/3 of the "the captain did it" theories wouldn't be.........!

Well then for all we know this particular flight may not even be missing at all.the same news media that says it is missing are the ones that said the turn was initiated nearly the same time as the sign off. :smash:

Selective listening?

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Well then for all we know this particular flight may not even be missing at all.the same news media that says it is missing are the ones that said the turn was initiated nearly the same time as the sign off. :smash:

Selective listening?

Congratulations, you have taken the idiocy to a whole new level...! But on the bright side, you can now work for the media...!

 

[SENECAII]

Congratulations, you have taken the idiocy to a whole new level...! But on the bright side, you can now work for the media...!

It just sounds to me that you only believe what you want to believe.I mean by your thinking,how do we know it even turned to the west?

 

[Green]

Turning on the ELT should be the first thing you do.

huh?

You are a Fedex MD 11 Captain and the first thing you would do in a smoke/fire situation is turn on the ELT? Is this Fedex procedure or your own procedure?

I fly the 777 and nowhere in the Emergency descent or Smoke Fire Fumes checklist does it say to "turn on the ELT." Why waste time or energy on the ELT when it can do absolutely nothing to help you stay alive? It's just going to help locate your corpse. Should be the last thing you do IMHO.

 

[fr8doggie]

WHAT????


I fly the 777 and nowhere in the Emergency descent or Smoke Fire Fumes checklist does it say to "turn on the ELT." The first thing you do is put your mask on and get the plane pointed towards a suitable landing destination.

The logic behind your post is 'we're going to crash so lets get the ELT on in order for everyone on the ground will know why we crashed as soon as possible.' I think most pilots would follow the aviate, navigate, communicate model instead.

OK-OK. Yes, O2 on-100%-emergency. Turn towards closest field. Then turn on ELT if not in positive contact with ATC.

I just don't understand the hostility I keep getting from my suggestion that you activate the ELT immediately. In my airplane (MD-11) it takes less than 1 second to activate. I've been flying for a couple of years now and believe that I could fly the airplane and reach up to activate the ELT all at the same time (with the 02 mask on even!). These guys were not in radio/radar contact. I fly transoceanic every month and I go over this scenario every time. Everyone seems to think that there was an inflight fire (I'm doubtful). Well guess what? If you get an inflight fire over the water chances are very high you are going to have to ditch. You get maybe 20 minutes before the airplane becomes uncontrollable. If you are not talking to anyone how are you going to let them know you are in trouble? Personally, I want SAR to start waking up ASAP. You can always turn the ELT off if you regain VHF comm/radar contact.

If I ever have an inflight emergency and I'm not talking to somebody and in radar contact my ELT is going on. The rest of you can refrain from activating it. Then we can watch CNN for three+ weeks wondering where you went.

Yours,
Fr8doggie

 

[Green]

Remember UPS out of DXB? Things got so bad so quickly they weren't able to even change a frequency because they couldn't see the radios. Doesn't surprise me that MAS never made contact.

 

[Green]

Fr8doggie,

I get your point. I guess the hostility might be out of a sense of blaming these pilots. They probably did it exactly by the book. Yet their lives have been scrutinized, reputations called into question, homes searched, families in seclusion. I guess throwing the ELT will help locate the wreckage sooner but it's definitely a deviation from SOP. Knowing the media I would guess they would probably call it a pilot suicide because why else would the pilot turn it on if not directed by the checklist? He must have been planning to crash! lol

 

[fr8doggie]

Remember UPS out of DXB? Things got so bad so quickly they weren't able to even change a frequency because they couldn't see the radios. Doesn't surprise me that MAS never made contact.

They were in radar contact and talking to ATC/other aircraft all the way in. Airplane crashed 27 minutes after fire was reported.

Regards,
Fr8doggie