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[jbDC9]

If you reject God's Word, you reject God. If you reject God, you will die in your sins. If you die in your sins, you will remain separated from God for all eternity. That means Hell. Hell is real. Jesus talked about Hell more than any other personality in the Bible. He believes that the lost are going there. That means they are. If you are lost, this means you. I urge you to get right with God while you have time.

I am praying that you will decide for Christ.

Oh man, the arrogance of you wack-job bible thumpers.... to the whole statement listed above, my response is "Oh yeah? Says who??" Don't say god or jesus or "it says so in the bible". I don't read or believe in that stuff, so it means nothing to me. When I die, happy with all my sinning, I'm gonna be dead. Period. Worm food. It's a biological thing, has nothing to do with some dude wearing robes thumping on a big fat book a couple thousand years ago.

Uh oh, here comes another arrogant little snippet, this time compliments of Timebuilder;

and yes, shame on you for not following what God says. There IS no argument.

Uh oh, I feel an argument coming on... So, I can't think or do for myself, I gotta blindly follow some dude I don't believe in?? Now where's the logic in that? No wonder you bible thumpers appear to be brainwashed, you're not allowed to think on your own, gotta follow what The Man says. Pretty freakin' pathetic...

 

[aewanabe]

>>If you were/are associated with Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholicism, or some other un-Godly cult<<


The Roman Catholic "church" is an ungodly cult. I assume you aren't familiar with the teachings, so in a "nutshell" (as you are fond of saying), the Roman "church" believes in and teaches such things that "baptism" into the "church" and observance of the "sacraments" will get you to Heaven; that there is an earthly organization headed by an infallible human being (whose "infallible" words have been changed many times throughout the centuries); that after death, salvation is possible; that prayer can be to departed believers, instead of God; and...well, I could go on, but you get the drift. Now, these teachings are about as far from Christ's teachings as possible; in fact, of the things I have mentioned, either they are *completely absent* from the Bible, or the Bible *directly contradicts them*. So, if I say that the Roman "church" is an ungodly cult, what *exactly* do you have a problem with? Could it be that you are ignorant of Catholicism's teachings, or God's Word, or both?<<

Exactly where do you get your information about Roman Catholicism? Have you attended Mass once or twice and then presumed to know the meaning of every rite and ritual? Is your hatred through the teaching of whichever branch of Christianity you follow? Or has Christ spoken directly to you?

I'll try to debunk your idiotic fallacies one by one:

1) Baptism into the "Church" means not just the Roman Catholic church. We actually define "church" as being the LARGER COMMUNITY OF THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN CHRIST. This includes ALL baptized Christians, not just Catholics. (See John the Baptist for the first example of this practice).

2) Observance of the sacraments is, for us, a structural way to demonstrate our closeness to Christ, but it will not get you into Heaven. Only what is in your heart, your deeds as a Christian, and being "saved" (we just don't call it that) will get you into Heaven. Our sacrament of Confirmation, taken at 10 years old or whenever you join the church (if you weren't Catholic as a child) formalizes a person's one-on-one relationship with Christ. We don't teach that skipping any one or combination of the sacraments will guarantee a person admittance to Hell, but we DO teach that one sacrament, Reconciliation, will reconcile you with God if performed with a pure heart. This will earn you admittance into heaven. Note that only God, not man, can tell if your heart truly is pure.

3) The Pope is NOT infallible. The church does not teach that. Merely that the Pope is a man who, through his lifelong commitment to the Lord and his spirituality, is better placed to guide us on structural matters of living the Lord's life than we are. Unfortunately, since the Pope is human, we have in centuries past had men rise to that position who were probably neither good nor pious. (See Peter "you will be the rock upon which I build my church" for the first Pope.)

4) Nowhere does Catholicism teach that salvation is possible after death. We DO teach that salvation is possible right up to the moment of one's death; after that, well, you had your chance during your time on earth. Did you get that idea because we pray for the souls of those who have already departed?

5) Lastly, one of the most commonly-cited fallacies about Catholicism from those who are ignorant, and would rather hate than learn. We do not pray TO saints. Ever. Prayers such as the Hail Mary are requests for the Saints to pray FOR us. We call these intercessions. Ever prayed for another person, or asked someone to pray for you? You have? That's exactly what we are doing when we say a Hail Mary.

What's really funny and sad about all this hatred is that it stems from Mortal Man's interpretation of the Bible. When those of you who denigrate Catholicism claim we are not "of the book" it proves exactly how selectively you've read that book. For indeed, Roman Catholicism is the ONLY religion that is directly linked to the New Testament. Everyone else became misguided when good ole' Martin Luther started screwing things up for you. And yet, we don't preach that you're all going to hell. Interesting, huh?

Fly Safe.

 

[onthebeach]

For two reasons, I'm delighted to have a chance to discuss the Roman "church" with aewanabe, one of its adherents, and anyone else who cares to defend it.

First, because a discussion of this type allows more truth from God's Word to come out.

Second, because of the possibility that aewanabe and others deceived by Catholicism can come out of that cult, if they face up to the fact that the Roman "church" is not based on Scripture, but rather the traditions of men.

These include many pagan elements adapted from the religions of Rome and barbaric tribes which had increasing influence upon the Empire in the period before the Fall and the ensuing dark ages.

I anticipate many replies and a long dialogue, so there is no need to address every point at once. Therefore I will point out only a few of the unscriptural errors in common Catholic doctrine at this time. We can discuss all the others as they come up.

First: Please quote Scripture...any scripture, even the apocryphal books included in the Douay Bible, but *not* allowed as canon of Scripture by the earliest Councils, which states that the Apostle Peter was the first Pope.

Second: If you are not "praying" to Mary the mother of Jesus, or to a canonized saint when you ask her/them to intercede for you, or for some other cause, exactly what are you doing? I think that most people would define a verbal or thought petition to a spiritual being whose earthly body was deceased, i.e., who is no longer in temporal existence, as a "prayer." Perhaps Catholics call it something else.

Third: A two-parter: 1) Please cite any Scripture requiring a celibate priesthood. 2) Explain why a celibate priesthood is Scriptural and Godly despite a) the fact, recorded in the Gospels, that Peter was married (NOTE: If you contend that he abandoned his family upon entering the Apostolic office, cite Scripture stating this); b) The Pauline doctrine allowing/limiting a "bishop" to be "the husband of one wife" (1Timothy 3:2).

Fourth: Please discuss the following Scriptures in light of Roman doctrine:
a) "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ (Words of Jesus: Matthew, 23:9-10)."
b) "...there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." 1Timothy 2:5.

Many other points can and no doubt will be brought out in further debate.

However, the point I think has been clearly made that these Roman doctrines, and others, fall into one of two broad categories:

1. Extra-Scriptural doctrine, i.e., that derived from authority other than canon Scripture, and therefore the "traditions of men," which Jesus specifically condemned in Mark 7:13: "Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered; and many such like things do ye."

2: Unscriptural doctrines, i.e., those that directly contradict canon Scripture. Jesus said, "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed (John 8:31)." John wrote, "He that saith, I know him [Jesus], and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

In this post I have not attacked anyone, but rather have attempted to point out the error and deceit that is the very foundation of Roman "doctrine." It is an edifice of lies and heresies that has deceived many into Hell fire. It would be constructive to have someone put forth a defense of Romanism, but Scripturally, the "church" of Rome and its doctrines are indefensible.

Just as indefensible are any other un-Scriptural "doctrines" or "beliefs" adhered to by many Protestant denominations, and those promulgated by other cults such as LDS, JW, etc.

I appreciate aewanabe's viewpoint that any discussion of Catholicism should be derived from knowledge that can be referenced, as I believe I have done. However, what he and many other Catholics fail to see (being too close to the problem), is that their view of Scripture, Catholicism, and Protestantism is necessarily limited and confined because they have been led into deceit by the "church" hierarchy, tradition, and various forms of indoctrination, including parochial schooling, catechism, etc.

I have absolutely no "grudge" or dislike of any person because he or she happens to be a "believing," or as I would prefer to put it, a practicing Catholic. On the contrary, I pray for them out of concern for their souls. The Catholic "church" is greatly in error and will deceive those who cling to its demonic and un-Scriptural errors into eternal condemnation.

I hope that all who read this will be motivated to search the Scriptures to determine the Truth of God, and will find eternal salvation through Jesus, God's sacrifice for our sins.

 

[jbDC9]

I hope that all who read this will be motivated to search the Scriptures to determine the Truth of God, and will find eternal salvation through Jesus, God's sacrifice for our sins.

Nahh, no thanks, I'd rather go thumb thru a hard core porno mag than do something silly like that. Something really trashy and low grade would be nice... Can I find the "truth of god" in Penthouse Letters?

Jesus H Christ in a chickenbasket, you holy rollers never give up do ya? I should quit reading this drivel, it's gonna rot my brain.

 

[Timebuilder]

Oh man, the arrogance of you wack-job bible thumpers.... to the whole statement listed above, my response is "Oh yeah? Says who??" Don't say god or jesus or "it says so in the bible". I don't read or believe in that stuff, so it means nothing to me. When I die, happy with all my sinning, I'm gonna be dead. Period. Worm food. It's a biological thing, has nothing to do with some dude wearing robes thumping on a big fat book a couple thousand years ago.

Uh oh, here comes another arrogant little snippet, this time compliments of Timebuilder;



Uh oh, I feel an argument coming on... So, I can't think or do for myself, I gotta blindly follow some dude I don't believe in?? Now where's the logic in that? No wonder you bible thumpers appear to be brainwashed, you're not allowed to think on your own, gotta follow what The Man says. Pretty freakin' pathetic...

"Pretty freakin' pathetic."

Yeah, that kind of sums up what I got from your post.

 

[TurboS7]

God created what is in Penthouse, man just perverted it, to make the holy dollar at your expense.

 

[PsubS]

Hoookay, here's a question for ya, onthebeach. (Timebuilder and Turbo, you can chime in after a bit, ok?)

Does one have to believe in Jesus to attain entrance into heaven?

 

[Timebuilder]

Yes.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

John 14:1:3

1"Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also."

In John 14:6

"Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

That last part is pretty explicit.

 

[PsubS]

Are there any exceptions? For adults, that is...

 

[EagleRJ]

Timebuilder and onthebeach,

I'm puzzled. The last time I was aware of when there were Christians with wild hatred such as yours, was Ulster, Northern Ireland during the Troubles in the 1980s.

More recently, I'm afraid we only have to look as far as the Taliban to find a religious group with such an attitude of exclusivity and rightiousness. Do you guys really believe this stuff? Is this what they teach you in church? I think it's safe to say that Christians everywhere are embarrassed by your views, much like a family that grudgingly recognizes a reletive in prison.

All of the arguments you have against other Christian religions could easily be turned against Evangelical Christianity to show that it's actually a godless cult. No one does, because we accept the differing practices and beliefs of Christians around the world. I would guess that God does too.

Maybe you should give it a try!