LUV posts 4th quarter/full year profit.

[rajflyboy]

The pay for training argument is a waste of time...........give it up.

Even after the $8 grand the new hire spends on a 737 type he still takes home more than he would at any other airline.

If SWA starts a flying into a new city with higher paid pilots and indirectly puts other pilots out of work then what is the problem? That is called the free market. SWA has shown that you can pay and treat employees great and still turn a profit. Don't be a hater............

I have no problem at all with the free market. What I do not believe is that SWA does not put pilots out of work. Thats simply not true.

When you pay for a type in lieu of getting a job >> you pay for training. End of story!

 

[FlyinGuy]

hey raj.....What color is the sky in your angry and confused world?

 

[GuppyWN]

The Love Machine has put more pilots on the street than any other company or Management Type in aviation history. Thats a fact jack!!

You're so full of sh!t you can't even think straight. Mind explaining yourself with facts, not rhetoric?

Gup

 

[Jack Campbell]

Hopefully Charlotte and Cincy will be good markets. We'll find out later this year. imp:

Gup

CONGRATS on the positive news!

As a Cincy resident, I can say we are anxiously awaiting SWA to begin flying here. Delta has had a strangle-hold on that market for long enough. People drive to DAY, SDF, IND and CMH - about a 2 hour drive - just to afford to take their families on vacation. Come on in! SWA will do very well when the timing is right!

 

[redflyer65]

What about those that got hired without the type?

The 5 thousand for the type is paid back very quickly. Just facts.

Congrats SWA! It looks like bags fly free is starting to really pay off. I've had passengers tell me how much they love that campaign and not getting raped by the other carriers.

The ads say it may cost up to 100 dollars more on another carrier. I think that can be as much as EACH way.

 

[rajflyboy]

ahh

You guys have so much LUV !!! I like ruffing you all up a bit sometimes!!

 

[ultrarunner]

I have no problem at all with the free market. What I do not believe is that SWA does not put pilots out of work. Thats simply not true.

When you pay for a type in lieu of getting a job >> you pay for training. End of story!

Back in the day when I was doing the airline application, a requirement was that I had a 4-year degree. I paid for that!

Next question?

 

[rajflyboy]

Back in the day when I was doing the airline application, a requirement was that I had a 4-year degree. I paid for that!

Next question?

American, United and Delta hired some guys without degree's back then. I will agree that the majority all had degree's.

You gettin a degree is totally different than what LUV does in my opinion.

 

[ultrarunner]

American, United and Delta hired some guys without degree's back then. I will agree that the majority all had degree's.

You gettin a degree is totally different than what LUV does in my opinion.

Well, I respectfully disagree. Any company is free to essentially mandate a minimum requirement to either Apply, Interview and Get Hired. Weather it be type ratings, college degrees, whatever, SOME of those requirements may actually be the burden of the potential employee. Pay to Play as they say.

Heck I had to fork out and PAY, yes PAY for my FE written just to APPLY for some of those jobs back then. Remember that?

Luv's requirement is just all part of that same stuff.....IMHO.

 

[MILPILOT17]

Well, I respectfully disagree. Any company is free to essentially mandate a minimum requirement to either Apply, Interview and Get Hired. Weather it be type ratings, college degrees, whatever, SOME of those requirements may actually be the burden of the potential employee. Pay to Play as they say.

Heck I had to fork out and PAY, yes PAY for my FE written just to APPLY for some of those jobs back then. Remember that?

Luv's requirement is just all part of that same stuff.....IMHO.

It's nice to see someone with the ability to reason!

 

[Hamburger]

Pay to Play as they say.

Yes. That is exactly what they say.

It's just an $8000 pitcher of Kool-Aid.
Initiation ritual as it were.

Think about all the Chumps that dished out the cash and didn't get the job.

 

[MILPILOT17]

Yes. That is exactly what they say.

It's just an $8000 pitcher of Kool-Aid.
Initiation ritual as it were.

Think about all the Chumps that dished out the cash and didn't get the job.

Think about all the people that "dished out" the cash and got hired; it's called risk! I know plenty of people who got the conditional hire prior to having the type. It then becomes a no-brainer! Take all the emotion out and look at it from an investment stand-point. You'll make that money back in one month on second year pay. Plain and simple, it's an investment in a good financial future. By the way, as with most things in life the kool-aid comes unsweetened; add as much sugar as you like?

 

[FlyinGuy]

Just think about all the guys that could care less if you think SWA is a PFT outfit!!!!

 

[MILPILOT17]

Just think about all the guys that could care less if you think SWA is a PFT outfit!!!!

That's a valid point as well

 

[Whataburger]

Back in the day when I was doing the airline application, a requirement was that I had a 4-year degree. I paid for that!

Next question?

My app. said I had to read, speak, and understand the English language. I had to pay for that.

 

[mt2]

Nice work SWA. IIRC less than 6 months ago Gary was saying a Q4 loss was a no-brainer. Hopefully the positive momentum continues into 2010 and growth returns so us poolies can quit treading water !!

 

[Hamburger]

Just think about all the guys that could care less if you think SWA is a PFT outfit!!!!

True. Just about the same as number of Gulfstreamers that care about what I think of their "investment", I reckon.

 

[Skyboy722]

Think about all the Chumps that dished out the cash and didn't get the job.

Oh, OK. You're one of them. I get it.

 

[StopNTSing]

Nice work SWA. IIRC less than 6 months ago Gary was saying a Q4 loss was a no-brainer. Hopefully the positive momentum continues into 2010 and growth returns so us poolies can quit treading water !!

I'm sure all the labor groups having since ratified new contracts has nothing whatsoever to do with the new outlook. That said, growth would certainly be a good thing. Hope you can get the rest of the way on board soon.

 

[StaySeated]

Yea, that's it! SWA actually lost money and just found a way to report a profit so they could pay some more taxes.

Alright that was funny.

Congrats to the SWA folks. When will at least one other airline management team realize the benefit of having happy employees. Divide and conquer has not worked one time in this industry.