Logging Landings as a CFI

[j41driver]

If it's a currency issue, I ask my students if I can take a few landings from them...they usually don't complain

Why not let them pay for your currency....while they're paying for you to instruct them no less. Shouldn't cost too much for you to take a 152 up for 3 bounces.

 

[midlifeflyer]

You are all wrong. Read the entire thing. It states that this applies for an aircraft requiring more than one pilot.

Where did you get that nonsense? Try reading it again, in English this time. Especially the

"an aircraft carrying passengers or of an aircraft certificated for more than one pilot flight crewmember" part.

You're right though. It =is= amazing that even CFIs get this Private Pilot 101 question wrong.

 

[Ralgha]

You are all wrong. Read the entire thing. It states that this applies for an aircraft requiring more than one pilot. So the short answer is yes, you log all the landings, and count them for currency. FAR 61.57.
I'm suprised that even CFI's get this wrong.

Read it more carefully:
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(a) General experience.
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as a pilot in command of an aircraft carrying passengers OR of an aircraft certificated for more than one pilot flight crewmember unless that person has made at least three takeoffs and three landings within the preceding 90 days, and -
(i) The person acted as the sole manipulator of the flight controls; and
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It uses "or", not "and", which means that you must be sole manipulator for the little GA planes that you carry passengers in too.

 

[Ralgha]

Dang he beat me to it!

 

[FlyingBuckI]

Shouldn't cost too much for you to take a 152 up for 3 bounces.

I used to do it that way, until the local flight school closed down and the only thing available to rent is a 172 for $80/hr (plus the $150 membership fee to join the club). Most of my students own their own aircraft, so they're not paying the normal hourly rate, just instruction. That, and living in a small town I know most of my students personally, so they're not so opposed to letting me fly every now and then (at no charge).

 

[cfi on the fly]

CFI's dont make enough money to go rent airplanes even if its for half an hour. I would say that the employer should be willing to let the CFI fly free if they arn't current; I'm not paying for recurrent training in the CFI world. But gettting the landings in with students, even students who are well into their training, should not be a problem. My experience is that students like to see a landing done every now and then by the instructor. Lets them have something to judge their own landings against. If I got a student who cant stand to have me take a landing once in a while, that is probably not someone I want to be flying with anyway.

 

[TDK90]

LMAO at guys who log their students landings, get real.

 

[nosehair]

You are all wrong. Read the entire thing. It states that this applies for an aircraft requiring more than one pilot. So the short answer is yes, you log all the landings, and count them for currency. FAR 61.57.
I'm suprised that even CFI's get this wrong.

You're missing the *or* in that reg. Read it again and note the placement of the word *or*.

 

[j41driver]

CFI's dont make enough money to go rent airplanes even if its for half an hour. I would say that the employer should be willing to let the CFI fly free if they arn't current; I'm not paying for recurrent training in the CFI world. But gettting the landings in with students, even students who are well into their training, should not be a problem. My experience is that students like to see a landing done every now and then by the instructor. Lets them have something to judge their own landings against. If I got a student who cant stand to have me take a landing once in a while, that is probably not someone I want to be flying with anyway.

You know...you're probably right. A lot can be learned by watching. I guess I hadn't thought of it that way.

 

[acaTerry]

Official word from the local Flight Standards Office:

CFI's may log all landings, and count them for currency, that are performed when acting as PIC (i.e. student pilots not rated in aircraft).

 

[acaTerry]

...HOWEVER...upon reading it myself, IN ENGLISH I see that there is no written support to that. So it looks as though you guys are right to be careful on this one.

Of course the issue of whether "saves" by the CFI should count? Who knows....

 

[Ralgha]

Official word from the local Flight Standards Office:

CFI's may log all landings, and count them for currency, that are performed when acting as PIC (i.e. student pilots not rated in aircraft).

10 different FSDOs will give you 10 different answers, none of which are legally binding.

 

[Fly_Chick]

acaTerry - which FSDO is that?

 

[Flechas]

It's not like the interviewer is going to ask how many landings you really have...

 

[Flechas]

LMAO at guys who log their students landings, get real.

And how's that funny? Dork!