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JoeMerchant said:
Let your reps. know you want a single list. It must be priority #1. It will cost us in terms of other things we want, but it is necessary to prevent a transfer of assets.
Joe - I agree with your desire, but think requests from our pilots are falling on ears that are tuned into the frequency ALPA National is broadcasting.

ALPA is against it for a variety of reasons (1) for fear that they might lose a combined ASA/SkyWest vote and (2) ALPA might actually have to take a position which represents the combined members at ASA, SkyWest, Comair that would over rule the minority at Delta.

The only way one list is going to happen is if SkyWest first votes ALPA (removing downside risk for the union) and if then both pilot groups scream for a merger and management wants a merger too. Considering that ASA has First Officers with hire dates that would make them a mid seniority captain at SkyWest and SkyWest is recieving the best fruit of ASA's operation without integration I see little reason why SkyWest pilots would want to stop whipsaw. Until they raise their rates (if ever, without ALPA) they will continue to benefit by being the less expensive alternative.

The only way to force the issue is to toss ALPA and try it on our own. ALPA is not going to respond to what the members at ASA want - their stubborn refusal to adopt a brand scope solution, or accept the RJDC's reforms indicate their strong political will in the face of over whelming evidence of their erroneous path.

So we are stuck with the devil we know, or the devil we don't know. Without ALPA we would never be able to fund or fight a single list battle. So our only reasonable choice is to support ALPA, try our best to not step on the Delta pilots' politics or sensitivities and support our local Representatives who have our best interests at heart.

At the same time we should continue to fight ALPA in Court to force the issue of our representation. We need both internal cooperation and external force to obtain representation for ASA's pilots.

Regards,
~~~^~~~

P.S. Can you imagine if Delta got bought and the acquiring company decided not to merge their pilots? You think ALPA would sit around and watch their flying get transferred? Could be, after all ASA and Comair got bought and ALPA (as a result of the Delta pilots desires) allowed the lists to remain separate and flying is getting transferred. There are E170's parked wingtip to wingtip to 737's with non ALPA pilots at the controls. Who knows why ALPA continues down this road....
 
~~~^~~~ said:
There are E170's parked wingtip to wingtip to 737's with non ALPA pilots at the controls.....

WOW...that's right. B concourse spine always has a few "mini 737's" in Delta colours (E-170's)

A sure sign of how weak ALPA has become.
 
Chautaqua

There are E170's parked wingtip to wingtip to 737's with non ALPA pilots at the controls. Who knows why ALPA continues down this road....[/quote]

Not that it really matters, but Republic/Chautaqua, according to airlinepilotcentral.com, are represented by Teamsters.
 
just more of the same

I dont know if the inter california flights and others had been posted.

Forgive if it is a double post.

The expansion includes new service to the following destinations from Los Angeles: Country
City
Effective Date
Mexico
La Paz**
Acapulco
Loreto**
Mazatlan**
Culiacan**
Manzanillo**
Zacatecas**
Hermosillo**
Torreon**
Dec. 15, 2006*
Dec. 16, 2006 (three times weekly)
Dec. 18, 2006*
Dec. 22, 2006*
Jan. 6, 2007*
Jan. 16, 2007*
Jan. 16, 2007*
Feb. 1, 2007*
March 8, 2007*
Costa Rica
Liberia**
Dec. 15, 2006 (once weekly)
Guatemala
Guatemala City**
Dec. 15, 2006 (once weekly)
U.S.
Las Vegas
San Francisco
Sacramento
Oakland
San Jose
Dec. 15, 2006*
Dec. 18, 2006*
Dec. 22, 2006*
Jan. 5, 2007*
Feb. 1, 2007*

*Service operated by Delta Connection carrier Atlantic Southeast Airlines
**Service subject to foreign government approvals
 
Medeco said:
I dont know if the inter california flights and others had been posted.

Forgive if it is a double post.

The expansion includes new service to the following destinations from Los Angeles: Country
City
Effective Date
Mexico
La Paz**
Acapulco
Loreto**
Mazatlan**
Culiacan**
Manzanillo**
Zacatecas**
Hermosillo**
Torreon**
Dec. 15, 2006*
Dec. 16, 2006 (three times weekly)
Dec. 18, 2006*
Dec. 22, 2006*
Jan. 6, 2007*
Jan. 16, 2007*
Jan. 16, 2007*
Feb. 1, 2007*
March 8, 2007*
Costa Rica
Liberia**
Dec. 15, 2006 (once weekly)
Guatemala
Guatemala City**
Dec. 15, 2006 (once weekly)
U.S.
Las Vegas
San Francisco
Sacramento
Oakland
San Jose
Dec. 15, 2006*
Dec. 18, 2006*
Dec. 22, 2006*
Jan. 5, 2007*
Feb. 1, 2007*

*Service operated by Delta Connection carrier Atlantic Southeast Airlines
**Service subject to foreign government approvals

Wow... some regional service!!! :D
 
P.S. Can you imagine if Delta got bought and the acquiring company decided not to merge their pilots? You think ALPA would sit around and watch their flying get transferred? Could be, after all ASA and Comair got bought and ALPA (as a result of the Delta pilots desires) allowed the lists to remain separate and flying is getting transferred. There are E170's parked wingtip to wingtip to 737's with non ALPA pilots at the controls. Who knows why ALPA continues down this road....

Yeah! That merger thing worked out great for TWA pilots at American.
 
LAX scheds look like this.....

Airboss said:
The expansion includes new service to the following destinations from
Los Angeles:
-Mexico
City
La Paz**
Acapulco
Loreto**
Mazatlan**
Culiacan**
Manzanillo**
Zacatecas**
Hermosillo**
Torreon**
All about Dec. 15, 2006*-Feb 07

-Costa Rica
Liberia**
Dec. 15, 2006 (once weekly)
-Guatemala
Guatemala City**
Dec. 15, 2006 (once weekly)

-U.S.
Las Vegas
San Francisco
Sacramento
Oakland
San Jose
About Dec. 15, 2006*-Feb 07


*Service operated by Delta Connection carrier Atlantic Southeast Airlines
**Service subject to foreign government approvals
LAX-La Paz... 11:05a-2:05p
La Paz-LAX....3:20p-4:40p

LAX-Loreto... 11:10a-2:00p
Loreto-LAX.....3:40p-4:45p

LAX-Culiacan...11:00a-2:10p
Culiacan-LAX...3:20p-4:50p

LAX-Mazatlan...10:50a-2:20p
Mazatlan-LAX...3:10p-5:00p

LAX-Zacatecas (CR7) (this is what it said, looks mistaken) 1:00a-5:50a
Zacatecas-LAX...9:00a-10:10a

LAX-Manzanillo (CR7)...11:00a-4:15p
Manzanillo-LAX....5:05p-6:35p

LAX-Hermosillo...11:15a-1:55p
Hermosillo-LAX...3:45p-4:30p

LAX-Torreon...10:50a-2:15p
Torreon-LAX...3:05p-4:55p

LAX-LAS...7:30A-8:35A
...............6:05p-7:10p

LAS-LAX...9:05a-10:15a
...............7:40p-8:50p

LAX-SFO...7:00a-8:20a
...............6:05p-7:25p

SFO-LAX...8:50a-10:10a
...............7:55p-9:15p

LAX-SMF...7:00a-8:25a
...............6:00p-7:25p

SMF-LAX...8:55a-10:20a
..............7:55p-9:20p

LAX-SJC...7:10a-8:23a
..............6:00p-7:13p

SJC-LAX...8:55a-10:13a
.............7:45p-9:03p

LAX-OAK...7:10a-8:25a
...............6:10p-7:25p

OAK-LAX...8:55a-10:10a
..............7:55p-9:10p

There ya have it. Liberia and Guatamala City not up yet. Cheers.

Trojan
 

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